Divorce Forum?

[sparkofcreation 0]

I disagree with a divorce forum where the international couple has divorced and they want help with their divorce. If they post this as a topic in OT, then I have no problems with that.

I agree with a divorce forum where one of them has gotten divorced and are now marrying their foreign fiance. This does affect their immigration and thus would be a good idea.

They mostly don't post in OT, though, because what to do immigration-wise in case of divorce is very much on-topic for this site (even though you apparently think it is not). They post in the I-751 forum (I'd guess nearly half the posts there are on filing the I-751 after divorce), where most people don't know how to answer their questions, and this also means it's harder to find the I-751 posts that are relevant for those of us who are still married.

How does a previous divorce affect your immigration? (Other than the fact that you have to be divorced?) There are no special forms, nothing different about filing than if both parties were single (except for the divorce decree, and many people are asked for Certificates of Ability to Marry certifying they're single, anyway, so in their case it's no different at all).

You honestly believe that a divorce previous to filing the K-1/marrying someone from another country is more relevant to immigration than a divorce from an international spouse? I suggest you go hang out on the I-751 and see how many and how varied the issues relating to divorce from an international spouse are.

[babybunny 2]

Yodrak posed the original question over one week ago.

Vote yes or vote no. I am not including a "do not know" option because if you don't know, I don't wanna hear from you

I vote NO

[meauxna 15]

I will rephrase

I disagree with a divorce forum where the international couple has divorced and they want help with their divorce. If they post this as a topic in OT, then I have no problems with that.

I agree with a divorce forum where one of them has gotten divorced and are now marrying their foreign fiance. This does affect their immigration and thus would be a good idea.

Or a more gentle way of putting it...

maybe you haven't thought about it this way:

Say a Bad Thing happened and you are suddenly divorced. Say you've severed all ties to home and really settled here. Say you want to stay, or at least know what your options are. Do you know?

There is one set of rules for your shoes (no AOS complete, married less than 2 years).

There's another for no AOS complete but married OVER two years.

There's another if you've been a PR for less than two years, and yet another if you've been a PR *more* than two years. There's more if you've been beaten, or mentally abused. There is an option for every conceivable situation.

Immigrants, as well as beneficiaries, would or should have immigration questions in any of these scenarios. It would be nice to say (and some do) 'hey, you came here because of a spouse. If you don't have one anymore (death OR divorce, btw, and yes, it happens), you should just go "home".'

But where's "home" now? And who gets to decide--the beneficiary or the immigrant? Equal say? There actually is quite a lot to discuss on the topic, or at the least, a lot of resources that troubled individuals have difficulty getting to.

There was a semi-interesting local story here.. a Canadian woman who lived with her USC male partner but they just didn't believe in marriage. They had a ragin' successful business here, much loved in the community etc etc etc. They lived together for +25 years and she never minded about getting 'legal' 'cause that was all The Man's doing, you know, holding us baaaack, man.

Until her beloved got ill. They married but still didn't get the paperwork done. He died, and she just got put on a bus back to the border. You see, they had not been married for 2+ years and she didn't yet have her Green Card. Their relationship, known to everyone in town, was not "valid" in the eyes of The Machine. The legal wranglings of her counsel was interesting to read about (tho I hope it will never be of use to anyone else), but maybe if they had had some more info ahead of time, they would've taken different actions to protect each other.

We had another case decided here recently, for a young bride who was widowed in her first year of marriage. She ultimately left the US, but has just won the right to return.

While these two examples are about deaths, divorce falls under many of the same rules, and is a lot more common. I like the idea of a "when things go wrong" forum. Even if people are just putting out feelers, giving the basic facts shouldn't harm anyone---I made sure my DAH *knew* what his rights would be here if something happened to us, or to me. I could've held that info back as a power tool.

I don't think it's a good idea for people to post their personal divorce tribulations here (anywhere), but people will. Those talks *do* belong in OT. The biggest drawback to a 'divorce' forum is giving bad info out, and the inevitable personal discussions that come up out of it. If we could have a "no personal advice" order in place before people could post/reply, that would be super.

Past divorces? I feel like I'm one of the very few here who doesn't have one! ie: there is no need for a forum to talk about how that impacts immigration---it essentially *doesn't*!

[Fuzzness 2]

Guess I didn't realize that so many people severed ties back home.

Ok, I change my vote then (if I could)

[returningVJ 0]

Visa Journey is a site for family immigration. I vote no.

How many trolls we've had saying they're going through divorce, or wives/husbands that come here whine after a fight with their spouse saying they're getting divorced, or they're canceling their visa petition or stopping the process and then they make up and come back and say ''oh it was just a misunderstanding everything is ok with us now''? Don't we have OT for this? Don't people always mock these people and hijack their threads for their own amusement? Are VJ memeber really going to start to respect those people if a Divorce forum is created?

I'm sure there are lots of forums specific for divorce, sites for it, and, most important: lawyers.

If people are really going through divorce, if the fiance(e) ran away, go seek legal advice, not post in a forum for strange people give you advice just because you're hurt and need to vent or you need sympathy. Don't these people have friends in real life they can talk to? Maybe a therapist? Maybe a priest?

I understand what yodrak suggested but still I believe this is a forum that supports USC bringing their family to the U.S.

Just my humble opinion

Voting yes! and my dear friend you are scared that it might happen to you. thats the reason for this post. look deep in your heart and tell me im wrong.

[samir_shannon 0]

yes. why not?

[almaty 19]

no

[Aussielad 37]

yes we should

[aussiewench 9]

I agree completely with Yodrak and meauxna's reasoning of the benefits it can offer by having a forum for those divorcing or divorced. It still in many ways relates very much to immigration which is what this board is about. The journey doesnt just end when one has the visa. Unfortunately some of us do and will face divorce. I also agree that 'When things go wrong' title could be more appropriate and lessen the chances of general divorce related questions as opposed to questions and information related to immigration.

[UbiquitousPixie 0]

I vote yes for a divorce forum especially since I really could use one right now. I was just thinking of where I could go to get some advice on how to divorce someone who lives in the UK (I am in the US) and who is basically a lazy bum who won't do ANYTHING to help. I mean, is there some way, as his wife, I could garnish his wages or something?? Do I have any rights to anything over there as his wife? Can I get it anulled or get an easy divorce based on the fact that he basically abandon me?

So since there is currently no divorce forum, does anyone have an idea where I could get the answers to some of these questions before I go out and spend thousands on a lawyer?

[MrMrsKnight 0]

I vote yes for a divorce forum especially since I really could use one right now. I was just thinking of where I could go to get some advice on how to divorce someone who lives in the UK (I am in the US) and who is basically a lazy bum who won't do ANYTHING to help. I mean, is there some way, as his wife, I could garnish his wages or something?? Do I have any rights to anything over there as his wife? Can I get it anulled or get an easy divorce based on the fact that he basically abandon me?

So since there is currently no divorce forum, does anyone have an idea where I could get the answers to some of these questions before I go out and spend thousands on a lawyer?

^^^^^^ That's why we should have a divorce forum....

[Yodrak 7]

UbiquitousPixie,

Please see my post, #15 in this thread. What's being proposed is not a forum for divorce issues, what's being proposed is a forum for immigration issues where divorce is a factor.

Do a Google search to find web sites that discuss international divorce issues, or to find a divorce lawyer in your state. A consultation will not cost thousands, although implementing the advice that would come from such a consultation might. (Why am I getting a sense of deja-vu writing this?)

Yodrak

I vote yes for a divorce forum especially since I really could use one right now. I was just thinking of where I could go to get some advice on how to divorce someone who lives in the UK (I am in the US) and who is basically a lazy bum who won't do ANYTHING to help. I mean, is there some way, as his wife, I could garnish his wages or something?? Do I have any rights to anything over there as his wife? Can I get it anulled or get an easy divorce based on the fact that he basically abandon me?

So since there is currently no divorce forum, does anyone have an idea where I could get the answers to some of these questions before I go out and spend thousands on a lawyer?

[Fandango 1,439]

UbiquitousPixie,

Please see my post, #15 in this thread. What's being proposed is not a forum for divorce issues, what's being proposed is a forum for immigration issues where divorce is a factor.

Do a Google search to find web sites that discuss international divorce issues, or to find a divorce lawyer in your state. A consultation will not cost thousands, although implementing the advice that would come from such a consultation might. (Why am I getting a sense of deja-vu writing this?)

Yodrak

I vote yes for a divorce forum especially since I really could use one right now. I was just thinking of where I could go to get some advice on how to divorce someone who lives in the UK (I am in the US) and who is basically a lazy bum who won't do ANYTHING to help. I mean, is there some way, as his wife, I could garnish his wages or something?? Do I have any rights to anything over there as his wife? Can I get it anulled or get an easy divorce based on the fact that he basically abandon me?

So since there is currently no divorce forum, does anyone have an idea where I could get the answers to some of these questions before I go out and spend thousands on a lawyer?

I hate to say it, but I think UP provided a very good example of why we should reconsider this forum idea :/

[PurrSuede 0]

Well first of all for those who point out that VJ is a "Family Immigration Community" I'd like to point out that "divorce" lawyers are called FAMILY LAW practitioners. So yes, Divorce is a "family" issue, and it happens in the best of families.

Secondly, yes it happened to me as the USC, and before I even filed for a divorce, I spoke to an immigration attorney, so yes it impacted me greatly.

Thirdly, because of the new IMBRA laws, I am now required to file a waiver if I seek another spouse outside of the usa. Because I had a K-1 that I withdrew for a previous fiancee, and then a 2nd K-1 for my ex-wife who did come here on a visa prior to our being married.

So now, the USCIS has me in the position of needing to file a WAIVER if I want to file a 3rd K-1. There is NO criminal background in my past, but my ex-wife ALMOST did succeed in getting a "domestic" charge against me. It was trumped up, but I was smart enough to know what was going on, and it only resulted in a visit from the police for "reported Domestic Disturbance".

There as many issues dealing with a K-1 or K-3 marriage that fails as there are with "how do I get one" to begin with.

Therefore I voted "YES", and will continue to post on the topic in various forums where appropriate, since there is no one specific place to have this discussion (aka a "what to do if it doesn't work" forum"

-- Dan

[amarceau 0]

I voted yes.

This site is called VISA JOURNEY... If divorce never had a chance of factoring in I would have voted no. Sadly, due to the stress/length of the whole process, divorce or thoughts of divorce do factor in. It's reality. So why not give a forum to those who need it?