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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You want people to believe you, yet you won't participate in defence of your own belief.

[slim 1,533]

I don't need to. The truth is on my side. As posted already, I could care less whether you believe me or not.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

This isn't an argument, it's a posting on the internet. There are no grades, no flunking, and thus, no need to back up facts.

Once again, if you refuse to acknowledge something simply because you disagree with it, that does not change it's validity.

I forgot you were advocating for afternoon changes to our Constitution in the other thread.

Could it be that maybe, perhaps the very reason the founders decided to make an "archaic amendment more suited for another time" was because they knew eventually this country would be on the path it's on now and they sought a way to ensure THE PEOPLE had a way to control government?

Le wow. I have got to say I almost have some respect for the way you keep trying to justify your "facts is facts" plan of attack. I find it telling that no one has come in here to back you up on this line of thinking, yet several people have come by to say that merely stating something is a fact without showing it is leaves the statement in the realm of opinion. And yet, I also agree with you that facts are facts without people giving voice to them; it's a bit like the old "if a tree falls in a forest" saying. But we are humans, rational (I hope) creatures, and we are where we are through curiosity, investigation and proof. I'm an atheist; I don't do mysteries.

And no, I don't think the chaps who wrote the Constitution had powers of prognostication. Maybe they had a Ouija board? Or the Psychic Friends Network on call?

I don't need to. The truth is on my side. As posted already, I could care less whether you believe me or not.

And yet you keep coming back to try to convince us.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't need to. The truth is on my side. As posted already, I could care less whether you believe me or not.

Not true. Why else would you go on defending this unsubstantiated position over 2 days?

[slim 1,533]

I'm not defending anything. I've posted facts and continue to repeat myself. Where's the defense?

Seems to me you're the one making demands and defenses.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You've posted unsubstantiated statements.

Your every reply is "defence"

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

You've posted unsubstantiated statements.

Your every reply is "defence"

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[slim 1,533]

Le wow. I have got to say I almost have some respect for the way you keep trying to justify your "facts is facts" plan of attack. I find it telling that no one has come in here to back you up on this line of thinking, yet several people have come by to say that merely stating something is a fact without showing it is leaves the statement in the realm of opinion.

Do you find it at all ironic those several people all have flags from the same place under their avatars?

And yet, I also agree with you that facts are facts without people giving voice to them; it's a bit like the old "if a tree falls in a forest" saying. But we are humans, rational (I hope) creatures, and we are where we are through curiosity, investigation and proof. I'm an atheist; I don't do mysteries.

I would assume an atheist would become religious if facts were available.

And no, I don't think the chaps who wrote the Constitution had powers of prognostication. Maybe they had a Ouija board? Or the Psychic Friends Network on call?

Or maybe they'd just overthrown their government by force and sought the protection of their fellow citizens' rights to do it again in the future if necessary. Did they accidentally defeat their own government and then accidentally write the protection into their new constitution?

It was all accidental?

And yet you keep coming back to try to convince us.

I keep repeating facts. I'm doing nothing in an attempt to convince you.

You've posted unsubstantiated statements.

Your every reply is "defence"

My every reply is repetition of fact.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yes so you've said. Continue to repeat it and that you don't care whether I or anyone else believes you.

Oddly enough, the more you do it, the less believable it is. Go figure.

[slim 1,533]

If you choose not to beleive facts the number of times I post them doesn't matter at all. You're still not going to believe them. Frankly, I doubt you'd believe them even if I posted a link.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Holy #######! They're not facts just because you say so!

This is really most amusing, do continue. Yes, yes, the evil Brits, with our questioning and asking for proof. You do know I'm a mole, agitating to return this country to the bosom of Her Majesty, with all my asking for proof.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It matters to you or you wouldn't be doing it. Regardless, that's a cheap comment.

If you have knowledge use it. If you don't then stop trashing the thread with your ego display.

[slim 1,533]

Holy #######! They're not facts just because you say so!

You're absolutely correct. They're facts because they're facts, not because I say so.

Regardless, I'm not going to post "proof" here for you. If you don't believe facts, you can look them up. As posted, this is not a college paper or academic study in which I must justify my position based on presented support. I state facts, you either believe them or you don't. As you've pointed out, that doesn't change their validity.

This is really most amusing, do continue. Yes, yes, the evil Brits, with our questioning and asking for proof. You do know I'm a mole, agitating to return this country to the bosom of Her Majesty, with all my asking for proof.

What's crazy to me is you still haven't looked this information up for yourself. You continue to disagree with my facts yet haven't done any research - while demanding I post proof - to counter what I say. If you don't believe me, you post the proof that what I say isn't factual!

It matters to you or you wouldn't be doing it. Regardless, that's a cheap comment.

If you have knowledge use it. If you don't then stop trashing the thread with your ego display.

What was a cheap comment?

I have knowledge and I've posted it. How are my postings an ego display?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's a fact. I don't need to prove or explain anything to you.

If you want to deny the facts, that's your business.

[slim 1,533]

It's a fact. I don't need to prove or explain anything to you.

If you want to deny the facts, that's your business.

I haven't asked you to prove anything to me. I have, repeatedly, stated facts that you've disagreed with. In your attempt to deny the truth you've asked for proof of my facts. I've refused to post them here but invited you to find your own proof and post it. I'm not requesting it, I'm not asking you to explain it to me, I'm simply saying if you're going to deny facts, you can post your own proof that supports your opinions and discredits my facts.

I've yet to ask you to prove anything to me because you CAN'T. There's no PROOF out there of your opinion because your opinion is WRONG. That is a fact, I won't deny it.