Help with bad past

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

If no charges were filed, then it's something I wouldn't worry about. If you've got any type of documentation of the warning, you might take it with you just in case it's asked, but honestly, warnings here don't show up on criminal records, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

You do understand that the legal system in Great Britain is different from over here in the US, correct?

[Dodi 69]

What is your problem? Are you a troll who just comes to forums to stir people up?

Yes, I am aware that the legal system in the UK is different than the US. However, no charges were filed in the case he mentioned. Do you not even bother to READ things before jumping in headlong? (Just like in the other thread.)

Please, either post something useful or at least friendly, or just go away. The rest of us are actually trying to get something out of this forum.

Edited July 27, 2010 by Dodi

[Traci - Andrew 14]

You do understand that the legal system in Great Britain is different from over here in the US, correct?

Hi JohnnyQuest

I am sure Dodi is aware of the difference in the laws between here and the UK, but what point exactly were you getting at?

Did Dodi offer the wrong advice or did you disagree with something he said?

Regards

Andrew

[Dodi 69]

Andrew... I'm a SHE.

[Undefined 4]

I would rule out Mexico due to most flights from the UK have to stop off in the USA to Re-Fuel or pickup more passengers, therefore requiring the UK citizen to travel freely on the Visa Waiver Program which in this case he is unable to.. As for Bermuda.. I would not do this as I would want to know that my marriage certificate was valid for immigration and I am not sure if Bermuda is a valid location for this.. Canada on the other hand seems like a very good choice as you only seem to need to obtain a marriage license costing $130 Canadian Dollars and then you can get married at anytime.. well that was my take on the research i just did, I could be wrong.

But good suggestion.. note that if either of you have been married before then the Canadian authority will require a minimum of 4 weeks notice to check the marriages are dissolved along with documented proof.

Regards

Andrew

This is wrong to be so easy to get in in such countries. Especialy Canada. My country is too damn naive or something. And to know all the worst is in the U.S. sure they send us all the mess so they can clean out their dirty hands. Damn bullcrap. Anyways good luck Dereck. Dont let no one and nothing bring you down be strong, positive and determined and have faith even if you're not religious .

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Hi JohnnyQuest

I am sure Dodi is aware of the difference in the laws between here and the UK, but what point exactly were you getting at?

Did Dodi offer the wrong advice or did you disagree with something he said?

Regards

Andrew

Andrew - I'm saying that reporting of crimes in the UK is different than in the US and that yes, Dodi and others should be cautious when advising what to expect on a UK police report. Also, due to the concept of "spent crimes" many UK citizens are unaware that a crime wiped from their UK record could create problems when filing for a US visa.

What is your problem? Are you a troll who just comes to forums to stir people up?

Yes, I am aware that the legal system in the UK is different than the US. However, no charges were filed in the case he mentioned. Do you not even bother to READ things before jumping in headlong? (Just like in the other thread.)

Please, either post something useful or at least friendly, or just go away. The rest of us are actually trying to get something out of this forum.

Dodi, you're a bit rude, aren't you?

I'm certainly no troll.

And if you want others to "get something out of the forum" then accept learning the process to be part of your benefit as well.

[Traci - Andrew 14]

Andrew... I'm a SHE.

Sorry Dodi... did you just add your picture

[Dodi 69]

Sorry Dodi... did you just add your picture

Yeah... I thought it might be necessary!

[Traci - Andrew 14]

Andrew - I'm saying that reporting of crimes in the UK is different than in the US and that yes, Dodi and others should be cautious when advising what to expect on a UK police report. Also, due to the concept of "spent crimes" many UK citizens are unaware that a crime wiped from their UK record could create problems when filing for a US visa.

Dodi, you're a bit rude, aren't you?

I'm certainly no troll.

And if you want others to "get something out of the forum" then accept learning the process to be part of your benefit as well.

Hi JohnnyQuest

I agree with most of what you wrote about how people are unaware of the spent crimes rule in the UK is not applicable to US laws, however it was just an observation that you did not post what your objection was to Dodi's post.

Regards

Andrew

Yeah... I thought it might be necessary!

It will certainly stop me from thinking your a guy... (sorry i forgot i was married for a second) Sorry Traci xx

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Andrew - sometimes I use the Socratic approach around here. Doesn't always work.

[Boiler 45,936]

That might be better for the Greek forum.

[Andrew-Traci 5]

Hi JohnnyQuest

I agree with most of what you wrote about how people are unaware of the spent crimes rule in the UK is not applicable to US laws, however it was just an observation that you did not post what your objection was to Dodi's post.

Regards

Andrew

It will certainly stop me from thinking your a guy... (sorry i forgot i was married for a second) Sorry Traci xx

Haha Dodi don't mind Andrew - being seperated for long periods of time due to the visa process can be cause for strange thoughts and actions

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I wanted to come back to this thread and re-read in detail.

Having done so, I now wish to re-iterate Kathryn's post regarding full disclosure. I've done so with a few links.

In regards to Kathryn's statement that further applications with USCIS ask questions regarding criminal activity and moral character, there is this from Cornell University regarding revocation of US citizenship:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1451.html

(e) Citizenship unlawfully procured

When a person shall be convicted under section 1425 of title 18 of knowingly procuring naturalization in violation of law, the court in which such conviction is had shall thereupon revoke, set aside, and declare void the final order admitting such person to citizenship, and shall declare the certificate of naturalization of such person to be canceled. Jurisdiction is conferred on the courts having jurisdiction of the trial of such offense to make such adjudication.

Secondly a memorandum for the INS (now USCIS) prepared in 1997 regarding revocation of citizenship as regards misrepresentation:

http://www.justice.gov/olc/ina340.htm

Second, revocation is available if the person procured naturalization "by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation." INA § 340(a), 8 U.S.C. § 1451 (a). (3) Denaturalization on this basis "plainly contains four independent requirements: the naturalized citizen must have misrepresented or concealed some fact, the misrepresentation or concealment must have been willful, the fact must have been material, and the naturalized citizen must have procured citizenship as a result of the misrepresentation or concealment." Kungys v. United States, 485 U.S. 759, 767 (1988).

I'd like to add it's important to digest this knowledge without considering the information as besmirching the character of any member. It's simply the facts as they relay to the Service.

[TBoneTX 45,910]

Andrew - sometimes I use the Socratic approach around here. Doesn't always work.

It's important to remember that Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock, si man!