ACLU issues advisory to holiday travelers about Arizona's anti-illegal immigration law

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So he was stereotyping all cops in that instance.

That's one way of putting it.

I put it together with his "there was a silver lining to the Holocaust because otherwise Europe would have been overpopulated" and "illegal immigration should be a crime punishable by death".

All told - this is someone with some very confused opinions that edge toward violent totalitarianism on the one hand, moral relativism on another and violent anarchism on yet another.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

That'll be the one where you said it was fine and dandy to commit acts of vandalism and assault the police guarding a summit of world leaders.

I was proven right in that case by the actions/brutality/lies of the police force in Toronto over the course of those days. You want to see a case of a large group of people being denied their rights, talk to all of the innocent people/bystanders who were detained in the pouring rain for several hours by a blockade of cops on this past Saturday.

That's one way of putting it.

I put it together with his "there was a silver lining to the Holocaust because otherwise Europe would have been overpopulated" and "illegal immigration should be a crime punishable by death".

All told - this is someone with some very confused opinions that edge toward violent totalitarianism on the one hand, moral relativism on another and violent anarchism on yet another.

you're entitled to your opinion in the way you take things. That's fine. It's no where near any of that. I can find a silver lining in anything to go right along with the negative.

Everything has positive and negative consequences. One just so happens to outweigh the other in a majority of cases.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I was proven right in that case by the actions/brutality/lies of the police force in Toronto over the course of those days. You want to see a case of a large group of people being denied their rights, talk to all of the innocent people/bystanders who were detained in the pouring rain for several hours by a blockade of cops on this past Saturday.

You were right to suggest that attacking police, destroying private property were reasonable and viable tactics because you happen to personally disagree with the G20 summit?

you're entitled to your opinion in the way you take things. That's fine. It's no where near any of that. I can find a silver lining in anything to go right along with the negative.

Everything has positive and negative consequences. One just so happens to outweigh the other in a majority of cases.

Moral relativism (see above).

[SMOKE 1,426]

'ACLU issues advisory to holiday travelers about Arizona's anti-illegal immigration law'

why? the law doesn't take effect until july 29.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You were right to suggest that attacking police, destroying private property were reasonable and viable tactics because you happen to personally disagree with the G20 summit?

Not what I said. I said I was proven right by the actions of the authorities this weekend upon those peacefully protesting and innocent bystanders. (this does not include the ones acting like twits who were protesting)>

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Uh-huh...

[mendeleev 68]

Who's threatening her?

We've had "interesting" experiences with the local police that lead us to conclude that the greatest threat to peaceable enjoyment of one's home by law-abiding citizens comes from police. Given her negative interactions with cops here -- where we were 100% innocent and aggrieved, BTW -- her attitude toward the new law in Arizona is, "I will never set foot in that state, cops have too much power in this country as it is." Can't say I blame her.

She draws strong constrasts between cops here and the experiences she's had back home: cops there have been uniformly decent, respectful, polite, and law-abiding. I've had some experiences with cops in her home country, too, that support the contrast.

[The_Dude 1,142]

DO you enjoy making stuff up as you go along? Seriously?

The law does nothing of the sorts and this is not a common practice.

There's always nut cops out there. Hell, I went off on a rant the other day about nut cops. That's not the standard though in any way, shape, or form. To say otherwise is completely dishonest.

Are you naive, or just plain ignorant? The law gives the police the impetus to stop people whom they suspect as being illegal immigrants. Even if it occured during a normal stop, the individual is compelled to prove his status or risk being taken to jail while they sort it out.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

why? the law doesn't take effect until july 29.

they want to get a head start on the outrage.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Are you naive, or just plain ignorant? The law gives the police the impetus to stop people whom they suspect as being illegal immigrants. Even if it occured during a normal stop, the individual is compelled to prove his status or risk being taken to jail while they sort it out.

You keep believing what you want. WOW, have you been reading the DailyKos again today or what?

[Peikko 1,575]

We've had "interesting" experiences with the local police that lead us to conclude that the greatest threat to peaceable enjoyment of one's home by law-abiding citizens comes from police. Given her negative interactions with cops here -- where we were 100% innocent and aggrieved, BTW -- her attitude toward the new law in Arizona is, "I will never set foot in that state, cops have too much power in this country as it is." Can't say I blame her.

She draws strong constrasts between cops here and the experiences she's had back home: cops there have been uniformly decent, respectful, polite, and law-abiding. I've had some experiences with cops in her home country, too, that support the contrast.

I find the attitude to the police in America interesting. I do know that in the UK the police force in general are much less aggressive when responding to criminal activity, and as a result the general population does not have an overwhelmingly cynical and antipathetic response to their activities. There are probably lots of reasons for this and there are no quick fixes because of the complexity of the issues, but it is worrying how often I read stories of police using far more force to arrest a suspect than would seem warranted.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Are you naive, or just plain ignorant? The law gives the police the impetus to stop people whom they suspect as being illegal immigrants. Even if it occured during a normal stop, the individual is compelled to prove his status or risk being taken to jail while they sort it out.

ummmmmm NO! They will be compelled to show ID! Just like the rest of us fool!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I find the attitude to the police in America interesting. I do know that in the UK the police force in general are much less aggressive when responding to criminal activity, and as a result the general population does not have an overwhelmingly cynical and antipathetic response to their activities. There are probably lots of reasons for this and there are no quick fixes because of the complexity of the issues, but it is worrying how often I read stories of police using far more force to arrest a suspect than would seem warranted.

Yes I noticed this as well. I think somewhere along the line US police deviated from their UK counterparts when they began to view themselves as non civilians. They took on more of a military approach to policing where as their UK counterparts see themselves as civil servants.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes I noticed this as well. I think somewhere along the line US police deviated from their UK counterparts when they began to view themselves as non civilians. They took on more of a military approach to policing where as their UK counterparts see themselves as civil servants.

I wish I knew, and I don't think the US police are uniformly terrible, or the UK police uniformly fantastic but in terms of trends, there does seem to be a trend in the direction you are pointing, that the US police person does see himself as apart from the general public, whereas the UK police person see themselves as an integral part of the community.

[Darnell 8,478]

'ACLU issues advisory to holiday travelers about Arizona's anti-illegal immigration law'

why? the law doesn't take effect until july 29.

Ain't that some weird sh|te ? A bit premature, I think so.