Americans Relate to Founders, Not Progressives

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

For that matter, most people don't depend on the government for day to day life. Local, State, or federal. Unless you realize that your mail is being delivered by the federal government, the paved road beside your house was made by all three levels of government, that check book you are holding is maintained by government which created the environment for banks to exists and to actually give you services. Not screw you over.

I am so sick and tired of anti-govenmentalism among so many people. If you don't want government, then why don't you just freaking move to Antarctica. I'm not telling this to anyone specific here. But to everyone who always moan about government: anarchist sons of corn grazers.

I think people like to focus on the worst - so when they hear "big government" they invariably think of welfare abusers and all their arguments are framed in that manner. Hence we have to hear diatribes about "personal responsibility" and "entitlement".

Word. But rather than Antarctica, Somalia would be agood place for the anti-government crowd. Go and have a look at what a paradise grows when you eliminate the government. It's real pretty.

Isn't that the point though - in Somalia it is real pretty when you own the most guns and have enough men to pull the triggers

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Isn't that the point though - in Somalia it is real pretty when you own the most guns and have enough men to pull the triggers

Not even then. Somalia is a failed country which is more or less uninhabitable. Unless you're one of those Russian Roulette kind of guys and don't care if you actually wake up tomorrow or make it back home tonight - if you even have to begin with.

Look to the north and you'll find an African nation with an overbearing government and enough problems of their own. But despite that government, or perhaps because of it, that country has one of the - if not the - fastest growing economies on the continent. According to the libertarians, Somalia should be thriving and it's neighbor to the north failing. But somehow, it's the other way around.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Mr. Big Dog

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

A fact of human nature is that people -- for the large part -- are egotistical creatures. That, combined with the alarmingly low level of common sense, intellect and education of the uneducated masses in this country allowed the politicians to fool those to vote against their own interests based only of planted misinformation, fear, and deeply rooted dislikes. It's a propaganda campaign that the late Adolf Hitler mastered to perfection.

Why else would people accept to be dumped by their health insurance, lose their home when they lose their job, see their tax dollars go into the war machine instead of schools and roads and jobs, and don't protest when a plain Bachelor's degree gets them so deep into debt that many won't recover.

They also never experienced free health care, free university education, a 35-hour work week, 4 weeks paid vacation every year, 1-year paid pregnancy leave, and a life without decorated veterans living out of shopping carts and sleeping in cardboard boxes.

The secret plan is for them to never experience anything like social (= public) plans. With cleverly planted terms like socialism, Obamacare, and the dooming thread of being disarmed and terrorists attacking their towns the Republicans, those dumbos are kept busy and keep voting against their own interest. Watching soap operas, The Girls Next Door, and the Kardashians -- dumb-down programs the corporate-owned media feeds to them -- instead of reading the daily paper or watching CNN or any independent news station, does the rest.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Just Bob

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hmmm. That's a bit simplistic. There are parallels between libertarianism and anarchism but they are not really the same.

I'm not even sure of what self titled libertarians on the board believe in. There are some who put the free market front and center with a limited government and the abolishment of corporate regulation.

Then you have the people like Gary, who merely states that he is libertarian because he is "pro-choice on everything" and apparently has little interest in the market. He's probably a Minarchist.

[mawilson 2,133]

No one's slapping a label on you. No one even knows who the hell you are.

[Peikko 1,575]

If I understand the main premise of the OP's weird OPED piece correctly, he is arguing that the Founding Fathers would never have given voting rights to the poor if they had realized that the US had finite resources and that the poor would vote for measures to help themselves because today the lovely government that the founding fathers envisioned (some mythical tax free haven) has been transformed into a massive, wasteful and overspending monster as a result of these measures that only the poor vote for, and that the current 'progressive' aka librul political platform is ever more expansion of these wasteful spendthrift programs. Well, all I can say is :rofl:

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Exactly. Progressives are about progress. And the founders of this country pursued exactly that. Progress then was different than progress now but it is hard to argue that the founders would have wanted this nation to stand in the way of progress rather than driving it.

As they (the progressives) define progress. Gold old Progressives, like Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Good old racists.

[Heracles 417]

A FAIL of utter epic-ness.

In Britain, everyone over the age of 18 is entitled to vote.

With an upf*ck of this magnitude, the author of this BS needs to stick his head down the toilet and give himself a swirly.

Thanks to the internet, any fool with a site claims they are a journalist.

[Heracles 417]

For that matter, most people don't depend on the government for day to day life. Local, State, or federal. Unless you realize that your mail is being delivered by the federal government, the paved road beside your house was made by all three levels of government, that check book you are holding is maintained by government which created the environment for banks to exists and to actually give you services. Not screw you over.

I am so sick and tired of anti-govenmentalism among so many people. If you don't want government, then why don't you just freaking move to Antarctica. I'm not telling this to anyone specific here. But to everyone who always moan about government: anarchist sons of corn grazers.

Well said. It does nothing for the country, to progress the country or for Americans.

You do have to wonder about the sanity and intelligence of so many with such a backwards and flawed view of a country. Though, it does explain why so much of the United States infrastructure is now akin to the second and third world. Drive through Sydney or Vancouver and then come drive through any US city and you will see the difference in zero government versus proactive government.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Booyah!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Thanks to the internet, any fool with a site claims they are a journalist.

You didn't read the article, did you, or you would have noted the byline.

Edited June 29, 2010 by ##########

[Advanced Aardvark 82]

Progressives support what you call "big government" when it can used to help our fellow citizens. They do, however, support what you call "limited government" when it is appropriate. A good example is in the areas of keeping government out of the bedroom. Another good example is in the area of general progressive opposition to a national ID. Another good example is in the area of Internet freedom. Note that on the last 2 of those examples, this President is actually in opposition to the progressive grassroots that phonebanked for him and walked for him, siding with the corporatists who funded him instead.

Time to check your meds... Progressives are all about big government, and the nanny state. They are the folks who want to put up "do not feed the ducks" signs, and then raise your taxes to pay for the signs and a host of public sector employees to make sure you really do not feed the ducks. (Due no doubt to an aversion to stepping in duck poop.) They are the worst sort of elitists: They "know better" than the little people, and believe They should plan and control the lives of the little people.

The November elections will likely drive the Progressives underground for another half century.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The November elections will likely drive the Progressives underground for another half century.

And, that will be a very good thing.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And, that will be a very good thing.

O h yea, we all crave a good cave life - back to the future.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

O h yea, we all crave a good cave life - back to the future.

Man caves! :dance: :dance:

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

What a ridiculous piece of garbage.

In the oval office?