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CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Canada will phase out older coal-fired power plants to cut the country's greenhouse gas emissions, Environment Minister Jim Prentice said on Wednesday, as it moves to make natural-gas fired plants the new clean-power standard.

The new standards, expected to be firmed up by early 2011, will force electricity producers to phase out older, high-emitting coal-fired plants and require newer facilities to match the lower greenhouse-gas emissions of more efficient natural-gas fired plants.

Canada has 51 coal-fired units producing 19 percent of the country's electricity and 13 percent of its greenhouse gas emissions. However, 33 of those plants will reach the end of their economic lives by 2025. Unless the operators make substantial investments to cut emissions from the aging facilities, they'll be required to shut down.

"Our regulation will be very clear," Prentice said at a press conference. "When each coal-burning unit reaches the end of its economic life, it will have to meet the new standards or close down. No trading, no offsets, no credits."

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Good for them Canucks!

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"When each coal-burning unit reaches the end of its economic life, it will have to meet the new standards or close down. No trading, no offsets, no credits."

And this is the only real way to reduce carbon if that is your goal. To trade or offset carbon does nothing to reduce it, it only shift the output to someone else. The cap and tax bill isn't designed to reduce carbon but to increase taxes.

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i wonder what the average canadian will think about it when they get a higher electric bill.

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And this is the only real way to reduce carbon if that is your goal. To trade or offset carbon does nothing to reduce it, it only shift the output to someone else. The cap and tax bill isn't designed to reduce carbon but to increase taxes.

Cap and trade has very substantially decreased SO2 pollution in the USA and Canada, and very substantially decreased the acid rain problem. Properly implemented, with decreasing caps, cap and trade could decrease CO2. Or it could be a sham. On the other hand, command regulations, like the US, Europeans, and most of the world use for automotive emissions, does work.

Economists can argue about which one -- cap & trade vs command regulation -- is more cost effective. But inaction -- the current modus vivendi regarding climate change in the USA -- will turn out to be very, very costly indeed. A lot of us may be dead when the full costs appear, but our kids won't be.

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Cap and trade has very substantially decreased SO2 pollution in the USA and Canada, and very substantially decreased the acid rain problem. Properly implemented, with decreasing caps, cap and trade could decrease CO2. Or it could be a sham. On the other hand, command regulations, like the US, Europeans, and most of the world use for automotive emissions, does work.

Economists can argue about which one -- cap & trade vs command regulation -- is more cost effective. But inaction -- the current modus vivendi regarding climate change in the USA -- will turn out to be very, very costly indeed. A lot of us may be dead when the full costs appear, but our kids won't be.

That argument does not hold water. We could reduce or eliminate SO2 using engeneering systems. We cannot do the same for CO2 since it is a by-product of combustion with a hydrocarbon fuel. The only way to reduce CO2 is to not burn hydrocarbons. It is an apples and oranges argument.

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That argument does not hold water. We could reduce or eliminate SO2 using engeneering systems. We cannot do the same for CO2 since it is a by-product of combustion with a hydrocarbon fuel. The only way to reduce CO2 is to not burn hydrocarbons. It is an apples and oranges argument.

There are still tremendous opportunities to decrease hydrocarbon and coal burning through efficiency improvements -- and here cap and trade could help, as will mandates. European cars have much better fuel economy -- even at comparable gross mass or power ratings -- compared to US cars, in part due to European demands (and incentives) for fuel economy. Europeans have been more serious about using fuel economically for decades, compared to the USA, partly because they are much more dependent on oil imports than the USA. There are huge opportunities for improved engineering controls to decrease demand for burning hydrocarbon fuels.

Cap and trade will also encourage switching to less carbon intensive fuels (for example, natural gas as opposed to coal) and to creating production capacity for more renewable fuels. Cap and trade will also accelerate use deployment of photovoltaics, concentrated solar power, and wind to produce electricity.

Of course, command regulation can accomplish similar ends.

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There are still tremendous opportunities to decrease hydrocarbon and coal burning through efficiency improvements -- and here cap and trade could help, as will mandates. European cars have much better fuel economy -- even at comparable gross mass or power ratings -- compared to US cars, in part due to European demands (and incentives) for fuel economy. Europeans have been more serious about using fuel economically for decades, compared to the USA, partly because they are much more dependent on oil imports than the USA. There are huge opportunities for improved engineering controls to decrease demand for burning hydrocarbon fuels.

Cap and trade will also encourage switching to less carbon intensive fuels (for example, natural gas as opposed to coal) and to creating production capacity for more renewable fuels. Cap and trade will also accelerate use deployment of photovoltaics, concentrated solar power, and wind to produce electricity.

Of course, command regulation can accomplish similar ends.

You cannot reduce CO2 output by raising effeciency because the demand will always rise. Whatever you reduce CO2 by because of more efficent burning will be offset by raised demand. The only way to reduce CO2 is to burn less hydrocaron fuel, peoriod. That means getting energy by means other than burning something, like nuclear and geothermal. Meanwhile the money taken out of the system by a carbon tax isn't being used to fund alternative fuels, it is going straight to the government and used for political ends. In reality a carbon tax would make things worse by pushing those business off shore where they don't have a carbon tax. True, our hands are no longer dirty but the same ammount of cabon is emmitted just the same.

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"Natural gas" is also not clean. I hate that people put a green spin on "natural gas," baring the fact that all gases are indeed natural. The cleanest energy is solar, wind, and nuclear. Everything else emmits green house gases.

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"Natural gas" is also not clean. I hate that people put a green spin on "natural gas," baring the fact that all gases are indeed natural. The cleanest energy is solar, wind, and nuclear. Everything else emmits green house gases.

Natural gas emits much lower levels of harmful byproducts into the air than other fossil fuels.

Nuclear is clean? Come on now.

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You cannot reduce CO2 output by raising effeciency because the demand will always rise. Whatever you reduce CO2 by because of more efficent burning will be offset by raised demand. The only way to reduce CO2 is to burn less hydrocaron fuel, peoriod. That means getting energy by means other than burning something, like nuclear and geothermal. Meanwhile the money taken out of the system by a carbon tax isn't being used to fund alternative fuels, it is going straight to the government and used for political ends. In reality a carbon tax would make things worse by pushing those business off shore where they don't have a carbon tax. True, our hands are no longer dirty but the same ammount of cabon is emmitted just the same.

Who has ever used a carbon tax -- not one country so far. So, to state as a fact in the present tense, the fate of such a tax that has been tried by no one nowhere is not a statement that enlightens anyone on anything except perhaps one's political bias or level of cynicism.

Use of hydrocarbon fuels is price sensitive -- we've seen this in the past couple years. Demand isn't very elastic, but also not completely inelastic.

I tend to favor command regulation -- such as the Canadians are using to retire coal burners (and localities in the USA consider the same sort of thing) -- but the Europeans seem to be having some traction with their rather anemic cap and trade regime.

Nuclear (if you are willing to put a lot of plutonium into the global economy) and geothermal will have roles to play, thanks for bring them up in addition to other options.

Nuclear and geothermal will have little to do with replacing liquid fuels, though, absent vigorous development in synfuels from CO2 reduction coupled with water decomposition. Such a development will probably have to be commanded, although it is not impossible that venture capitalists could not bring such an industry into existence given suitable incentives.

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This works in very well for natural gas producers in our province that have seen a significant downturn in demand over the last few years.

How will we feel when we get higher electricity bills? The question is, how much higher can they go. We are a household of 2 people. Our electricity bill in May was $200.00, last month it was $183.00.

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Nuclear is clean? Come on now.

It is clean. It doesn't emit any green house gasses. The only by-product is nuclear waste which has far less harmful to the environment when stored properly until half-life.

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Nuclear is clean? Come on now.

It is clean. It doesn't emit any green house gasses. The only by-product is nuclear waste which has far less harmful to the environment when stored properly until half-life.

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