Dual Citizenship and surrendering Ukrainian one

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well there are many Ukraine citizens who move without getting an exit visa but when they return it can cause problems. It is kind of like not filing a tax return you can get away with it for years but eventually it catches up to you.

where are you getting this information Noel? As it is counter to everything on our experience, maybe you can reference something? Link?

[payxibka 10,045]

where are you getting this information Noel? As it is counter to everything on our experience, maybe you can reference something? Link?

Agreed, of all the Ukrainians that we know, I have only heard of one person who even attempted to get this very "elusive" exit visa. Nobody however has ever mentioned any exit difficulties ... and this is based on hundreds of trips in & out of Ukraine (my wife & child included).

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That appears to me to be old information. It used to be that way, but as per what Gary was saying, after the invasion of Georgia, I think Ukraine changed the rules. I believe this is the most current information:

I'm still not sure what the following means though:

It almost sounds to me like the President must declare the citizenship to be terminated. Also the above quote says that citizenship *may* be lost. So this may be something where Ukraine reserves the right to terminate the citizenship but won't necessarily do so. Thoughts?

My take was that the President needed to implement this part of the law. It is my understanding he did in the wake of the Georgia expedition. It is more a political thing than anything. In theory (though a weal one) there ARE no Russian citizens in Ukraine for Russia to "protect". I am not sure if Yushenko was intending to wave the documents at passing Russian tanks or what...exactly...but at any rate, the previously ignored (and still largely ignored) prohibition on dual citizenship came about after the Georgia episode and was one of the "####### for tats" that went back and forth.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

German laws don't necessarily apply to Ukraine. Every country has different laws.

You look silly and self-righteous when you start inserting your own moral judgments and perceptions of consequences in situations you obviously know very little about.

Ukraine and Russia aren't Germany and if you come around in the beginning of May they'll make sure you hear about it.

I occasionally show threads to Alla, and she has read this one...

Alla: "So this guy, Bob, he is a German, yes?"

Me: Yes

Alla: Maybe his Father was promised a Ukrainian village?

[Noel194 53]

Katya spent week gathering documentation and she has an exit visa stamp in her international passport. This just occurred in November 2009. It is my understanding that many people do not get them but they are currently required. But I suppose there is always the chance that they wrote a special law and created a special passport stamp just for my wife. Just because someone has never heard of something does not mean it does not exist. I would be careful again it is not a problem until some immigration officer at KBP wants it to be.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Katya spent week gathering documentation and she has an exit visa stamp in her international passport. This just occurred in November 2009. It is my understanding that many people do not get them but they are currently required. But I suppose there is always the chance that they wrote a special law and created a special passport stamp just for my wife. Just because someone has never heard of something does not mean it does not exist. I would be careful again it is not a problem until some immigration officer at KBP wants it to be.

Alla managed to collect the "tax documents" that are not needed either. She sepnt more than a week in a summer heat wave riding busses around unnecessarliy to collect these documents. Just because something exists does not make it a law. There are plenty of outdated laws on the books and plenty of outdated stamps hanging around and plenty of government people that will take some money to put a useless stamp in your passport. That your fiancee wasted her time and effort does not a law make.

A LAW can be linked to on the net...please do so. I can find no such "law" which is currently in existance. The K-1 which you applied for is NOT an immigrant visa. Why would someone need an exit visa to "emmigrate" when they are NOT?

[Noel194 53]

Let us know how your wife enjoys her life in Ukraine when they do not allow her to leave after her next visit. Perhaps your argument about non-existent laws will work.

[payxibka 10,045]

Let us know how your wife enjoys her life in Ukraine when they do not allow her to leave after her next visit. Perhaps your argument about non-existent laws will work.

Since Gary's wife just came back from Ukraine a couple weeks ago without this "visa"... I suppose I will be the one to report on this, since my wife is currently in Ukraine and will be the next test case but thank goodness she will depart ODS as I want to avoid these "immigration" people at KBP you mentioned

Edited July 4, 2010 by payxibka

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Let us know how your wife enjoys her life in Ukraine when they do not allow her to leave after her next visit. Perhaps your argument about non-existent laws will work.

Noel, perhaps you should notice that this forum is used to exchange information. Parachuting in, sounding an alarm and jumping out is not the purpose. Nor would I consider losing any sleep over such alarms if the person sounding them cannot even give any details.

What I, and other members, have done MANY TIMES is alert members to potential problems, and give details how to avoid them. I think it is easy to see that, for example, I have spent much time detailing how to do a K-2 to follow visa and how to get a AOS quickly for a college student if that is needed. when someone asks how to get a police certificate or where the medical clinic is, we can tell them which bus to take. Besides the fun and games, the purpose of the forum is to share experiences and information

I asked you, and not in a sarcastic way, to please give us some details. we have Ukrainian wives and families also and would like to know. Some suggested items...

1. Links to the prtinent laws

2. Maybe a scan of this "exit visa" no one else has seen or found a use for

3. Where did you wife get it?

4. How was it applied for?

5. How mush did it cost?

6. How long did it take to get?

These are all things we would like know for our own interest. It seems like you have valuable information and I ask you to share it, please.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Since Gary's wife just came back from Ukraine a couple weeks ago without this "visa"... I suppose I will be the one to report on this, since my wife is currently in Ukraine and will be the next test case but thank goodness she will depart ODS as I want to avoid these "immigration" people at KBP you mentioned

Alla came from DOK, but did have a plane change at KBP. Sergey is just a desparado and came directly from Moscow.

[payxibka 10,045]

Alla came from DOK, but did have a plane change at KBP. Sergey is just a desparado and came directly from Moscow.

So she did pass through these immigration folks he was referring to at KBP.. yes? because we depart ODS for Warsaw and pass through the ODS immigration folks which I hope are not up to speed on this new "law" that apparently took effect as of November 2009.

Edited July 4, 2010 by payxibka

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Katya spent week gathering documentation and she has an exit visa stamp in her international passport. This just occurred in November 2009. It is my understanding that many people do not get them but they are currently required. But I suppose there is always the chance that they wrote a special law and created a special passport stamp just for my wife. Just because someone has never heard of something does not mean it does not exist. I would be careful again it is not a problem until some immigration officer at KBP wants it to be.

For an example of how the forum is frequently used...check out AKGuy's current thread on the travel palns for his fiancee. You would be greatly appreciated if you would help current and future members to avoid problems and save time.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So she did pass through these immigration folks he was referring to at KBP.. yes? because we depart ODS for Warsaw and pass through the ODS immigration folks which I hope are not up to speed on this new "law" that apparently took effect as of November 2009.

Yes. The DOK to KBP was a domestic flight. She passed through customs at KBP both ways. The DOK flight arrives at the domestic terminal at KBP and she had to walk over to the international terminal. Though when leaving even for a domestic flight she shows her passport. Sometimes flights from DOK go through Munich and then you go through customs at DOK before leaving.

Also, it should be noted that most (if not all) airlines now require that you show whatever documentation is needed to travel BEFORE you board an airplane. In fact, for Aerosvit, I had to give Alla's PR "A number" just to buy the ticket. They would not even sell a ticket for the US unless you could show you had documentation to allow you to travel. This seems to be an airline rule, though. Sergey flew Aeroflot and I did not have to give his "A number" when buying the ticket. Why would airlines not require this visa to board a plane?

I really would like to know the details of this.

[payxibka 10,045]

Also, it should be noted that most (if not all) airlines now require that you show whatever documentation is needed to travel BEFORE you board an airplane. In fact, for Aerosvit, I had to give Alla's PR "A number" just to buy the ticket. They would not even sell a ticket for the US unless you could show you had documentation to allow you to travel. This seems to be an airline rule, though. Sergey flew Aeroflot and I did not have to give his "A number" when buying the ticket. Why would airlines not require this visa to board a plane?

I really would like to know the details of this.

This is an interesting question that I actually think I know the answer to, but will wait and see Noel's before I answer

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This is an interesting question that I actually think I know the answer to, but will wait and see Noel's before I answer

Yes, I agree. We will wait. I would like to hear exactly WHO his wife got this visa from and the directions to obtain it. Also please, Noel, indicate the expiration date of this visa. Should be interesting.

Then I will post what I have found. I would be interested also to see what you have, Pay. That didn't sound like I wanted it to.

Edited July 4, 2010 by Gary and Alla