graphic sex ed class under fire

[that_girl 9]

Yeah, I get that. I guess I need to be vigilant once he starts school. But I have a few years

Erm, no it doesn't, don't be daft.

But what other insidious opinions that differ from your own will those crazy teachers try to indoctrinate your child with? I'm not trying to be difficult, but if you have such a problem with your child being exposed to differing viewpoints about morality, isn't that the only way to protect them? Surely sex ed isn't the only time this type of thing will come up during their education.

Edited June 23, 2010 by that_girl

[Peikko 1,575]

Get this, it may be speculation for YOU, but not how *I* interpret it. And as a soon-to-be-parent, I wouldn't want someone like you with your beliefs on this teaching my child. How's that for speculation?

And get this...nothing you can say, nothing you can scoff at me for, or incorrectly presume will ever change that. We can sit here and post replies to each other all day long. It is not your place, nor the place of others like you, to teach my child what is MY responsibility to teach him, based upon when his father and I...you know, *the parents* actually decide it's best.

You have every right to believe what you want, and what you want to teach *your* kid(s) and when they learn it. Not mine, no ma'am.

How can you believe that ignorance is ever 'better'? The age groups are targeted because they are currently GETTING INTO TROUBLE DUE TO IGNORANCE. Knowing how to put a condom on, knowing what a sexually transmitted disease is, how they are transmitted, what the implications of getting one are and how to prevent them being transmitted amongst an acknowledged sexually active age group is a much better choice than some silly presumption that a parent 'knows' when their child is considering engaging in sexual experimentation and leaving it all to some misguided belief that they will not do because their parent 'does not approve' or better yet has never even raised the topic up for discussion because 'my child is too young to think about sex'.

Engaging in sexual experimentation without the faintest knowledge of what that entails is a complete recipe for disaster and no matter what your idea is as to when sex is acceptable, your hypothetical child, and the children of thousands of other similarly disabled by ignorant parents have no chance whatsoever to avoid making bad choices should they choose to experiment with sex before you are ready to arm them with knowledge.

You do not have to worry, I have no intention of teaching any sex education classes, but were I to do so, I am quire sure I would be able to do it without encouraging young children to engage in sexual experimentation at a young age. Personally, I am firmly of the belief that women in particular should learn that sexuality is not their only virtue, and that a good education and a start up the career ladder is a very valid route for a woman to take. Women should not be defined by their #######, but lacking basic sex education is a great way to leave women in the 19th century.

Edited June 23, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Hell, just let the guy at the school metal detector hand out the condoms. Condoms for guns program.

Edited June 23, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hell, just let the guy at the school metal detector hand out the condoms. Condoms for guns program.

Why stop at condoms? Why not a free 6 pack?

[GabiandVi 34]

No school is providing 'sex' education

Actually, I went to Catholic girls' school. My brothers and my male friends went to Catholic boys' school. In the boys' "sex ed" classes, they were taught what a ####### is and what they should do with it. The lay teachers were elected to teach this class.

[slim 1,533]

Women should not be defined by their #######

Some women make it hard not to....

Hell, just let the guy at the school metal detector hand out the condoms. Condoms for guns program.

That's a splendid idea. But it'd take a lot of condoms to equal one gun!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Why stop at condoms? Why not a free 6 pack?

You gotta job yet? Obviously not. Have a condom!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You're always a few steps behind aren't you .

Perhaps a remedial class on telling the time will help.

I doubt it though.

[slim 1,533]

they were taught what a ####### is and what they should do with it.

I could see parents getting mad about that. But that's not what happened in Podunk and apparently, that's why you pay the big bucks for Catholic school!

[Nina~ 431]

Actually, I went to Catholic girls' school. My brothers and my male friends went to Catholic boys' school. In the boys' "sex ed" classes, they were taught what a ####### is and what they should do with it. The lay teachers were elected to teach this class.

More guys should be sent to this class

[Amby 490]

+1 for nina

[Peikko 1,575]

Actually, I went to Catholic girls' school. My brothers and my male friends went to Catholic boys' school. In the boys' "sex ed" classes, they were taught what a ####### is and what they should do with it. The lay teachers were elected to teach this class.

Were you taught what a ####### is and what you should do with it? You seem to have missed that bit out from your personal anecdote.

I am not quite sure what the problem with this is, depending of course on how the subject was approached. It is a fact that without proper stimulation, the female will not produce secretions that aid not only the comfort of the sexual act, but also its success in terms of fertilization. The ####### is not a sexual toy, nor is it a useless appendage but an integral part of the reproductive system and it seems to me that a proper understanding of this for both boys and girls is perfectly appropriate.

[Fandango 1,440]

But what other insidious opinions that differ from your own will those crazy teachers try to indoctrinate your child with? I'm not trying to be difficult, but if you have such a problem with your child being exposed to differing viewpoints about morality, isn't that the only way to protect them? Surely sex ed isn't the only time this type of thing will come up during their education.

Just because I'm taking umbrage at the sex ed stuff doesn't mean I believe that education is rife with 'insidious opinions that differ from my own, and crazy teachers are trying to indoctrinate my children', and tbh, I resent your implication that merely because I disagree of where and when my child should learn sex ed means that I need to isolate my kid from normal society. I don't see what is so off the wall with a parent actually being INVOLVED in his/her child's education process. In fact, I'd dare say, if more took such an active role, we wouldn't have teachers having to fill the needs by being surrogate parents in our children's lives.

I will be making myself active in my child's education process. And when the time comes where I feel that the school system is overstepping its bounds, I will make adjustments. Will I wrap my kid in cotton wool and keep him segregated from society? Absolutely not.

Edited June 23, 2010 by Happy Bunny

[GabiandVi 34]

How can you believe that ignorance is ever 'better'? The age groups are targeted because they are currently GETTING INTO TROUBLE DUE TO IGNORANCE.

Please. Someone give me the statistics that prove that the ones "getting into trouble" are doing so "due to ignorance."

I'm in the front lines. The ones I see "getting into trouble" are not ignorant about any aspect of sex. They know what a condom is. They know how to use one. They know where to get them for free. They know about all sorts of other forms of birth control and how to get their hands on them without their parents knowing, with their parents knowing, for free or for a price. They know about sexually transmitted diseases. Just like they think they aren't going to have an accident driving drunk, they think they aren't going to get any disease. They know about their chances of getting pregnant. They know where to get an abortion. They know how to get public assistance for their prenatal vitamins, exams, classes. They have a list of names they've chosen for the babies. Or if they are boys, they keep a list of all the baby mammas they have.

The ones not getting into trouble know about these things as well. Kids make their choices based on their morals or their goals for their future and their ability to see beyond the immediate and/or their ability to stand up to what is, let's face it, extreme temptation. Not based on what they know about sex.

I don't really care if we teach sex ed in school. I see the argument that it's not the sort of thing that schools should be responsible for, but I also see the argument that many parents aren't doing their jobs and for our own protection we need to pick up some of the slack. But I think a lot of people are naive about what teenagers, preteens, and even younger kids know or don't know about sex or other things by rights they should be clueless about.

[Fandango 1,440]

How can you believe that ignorance is ever 'better'? The age groups are targeted because they are currently GETTING INTO TROUBLE DUE TO IGNORANCE. Knowing how to put a condom on, knowing what a sexually transmitted disease is, how they are transmitted, what the implications of getting one are and how to prevent them being transmitted amongst an acknowledged sexually active age group is a much better choice than some silly presumption that a parent 'knows' when their child is considering engaging in sexual experimentation and leaving it all to some misguided belief that they will not do because their parent 'does not approve' or better yet has never even raised the topic up for discussion because 'my child is too young to think about sex'.

Engaging in sexual experimentation without the faintest knowledge of what that entails is a complete recipe for disaster and no matter what your idea is as to when sex is acceptable, your hypothetical child, and the children of thousands of other similarly disabled by ignorant parents have no chance whatsoever to avoid making bad choices should they choose to experiment with sex before you are ready to arm them with knowledge.

You do not have to worry, I have no intention of teaching any sex education classes, but were I to do so, I am quire sure I would be able to do it without encouraging young children to engage in sexual experimentation at a young age. Personally, I am firmly of the belief that women in particular should learn that sexuality is not their only virtue, and that a good education and a start up the career ladder is a very valid route for a woman to take. Women should not be defined by their #######, but lacking basic sex education is a great way to leave women in the 19th century.

Where on earth did I say that I would keep my child ignorant? Good Lord.

Eta: and my child isn't hypothetical. He's kicking me as we speak.

Edited June 23, 2010 by Happy Bunny