i love liberals!

[Jenn! 918]

Where exactly are all of these supposed Bush bashers that do nothing with their lives except hate Bush and his administration? I haven't met any of them. It seems to me that the real obsession is with seeking out people who have different opinions and totally exaggerating their fervor.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Chavez "an everyday thug." "You don't come into my country, you don't come into my congressional district, and you don't condemn my president," said Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y. Yes, the same Rangel who, after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor in the 2000 presidential election, pronounced the decision an "injustice." With this newfound patriotic fervor, Democrats lashed into Hugo Chavez. Why, how dare he criticize President Bush in a demeaning, brutal fashion!

Here's the question. Where were the neo-defenders of Bush when Democrats repeatedly, and viciously, said virtually the same thing as did Chavez?

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.: "I sometimes feel as though Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington."

Former President Jimmy Carter: "Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world. These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Week after week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie after lie. And now, despite the increasingly restless Iraqi population, the administration still refuses to face the truth, or to tell the truth."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.: "Their plan is lie and die. And that's what they're doing. They lie to America about what's happening on the ground, they lie about why we're there, they lie about what's happening."

Rep. John Murtha D-Pa.: "Our troops [in Haditha] . . . killed innocent civilians in cold blood." (Murtha said this before there was an investigation. He later apologized.)

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: Bush is a "loser" and a "liar." (Reid later apologized for loser, not liar.)

Michael Moore, the guy the Democrats granted a seat next to former President Jimmy Carter during the Democratic National Convention, called President Bush a "deserter," said "there is no terrorist threat" and denounced the war in Iraq, arguing that America entered into it because of "the oil companies, Israel, Halliburton."

there you go! I havent met them either! LOL

Yup, a bunch of people with different opinions. Oh, the horror!

ETA: Talk about conspiracy theories...

you wanted to know where the Bush bashers were I showed you a few, I know they have different opinions! and its fine to have a debate on issues, but to make statements such as this is absolutely hilarious. Where is the opinion in their Quotes? Its just plain bashing and absolutely no ideas of their own!

Well, I'm sure there were some sentences before and after those which you've posted here. Those probably would help to put the quotes in context and clarify what opinion was being presented. Many politicians use catch phrases and hyperbole in order to get their point across.

Edited October 3, 2006 by jenn3539

[Carol&Marc 0]

Where exactly are all of these supposed Bush bashers that do nothing with their lives except hate Bush and his administration? I haven't met any of them. It seems to me that the real obsession is with seeking out people who have different opinions and totally exaggerating their fervor.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Chavez "an everyday thug." "You don't come into my country, you don't come into my congressional district, and you don't condemn my president," said Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y. Yes, the same Rangel who, after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor in the 2000 presidential election, pronounced the decision an "injustice." With this newfound patriotic fervor, Democrats lashed into Hugo Chavez. Why, how dare he criticize President Bush in a demeaning, brutal fashion!

Here's the question. Where were the neo-defenders of Bush when Democrats repeatedly, and viciously, said virtually the same thing as did Chavez?

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.: "I sometimes feel as though Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington."

Former President Jimmy Carter: "Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world. These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Week after week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie after lie. And now, despite the increasingly restless Iraqi population, the administration still refuses to face the truth, or to tell the truth."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.: "Their plan is lie and die. And that's what they're doing. They lie to America about what's happening on the ground, they lie about why we're there, they lie about what's happening."

Rep. John Murtha D-Pa.: "Our troops [in Haditha] . . . killed innocent civilians in cold blood." (Murtha said this before there was an investigation. He later apologized.)

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: Bush is a "loser" and a "liar." (Reid later apologized for loser, not liar.)

Michael Moore, the guy the Democrats granted a seat next to former President Jimmy Carter during the Democratic National Convention, called President Bush a "deserter," said "there is no terrorist threat" and denounced the war in Iraq, arguing that America entered into it because of "the oil companies, Israel, Halliburton."

there you go! I havent met them either! LOL

Yup, a bunch of people with different opinions. Oh, the horror!

ETA: Talk about conspiracy theories...

you wanted to know where the Bush bashers were I showed you a few, I know they have different opinions! and its fine to have a debate on issues, but to make statements such as this is absolutely hilarious. Where is the opinion in their Quotes? Its just plain bashing and absolutely no ideas of their own!

Well, I'm sure there were some sentences before and after those which you've posted here. Those probably would help to put the quotes in context and clarify what opinion was being presented.

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

Edited October 3, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Jenn! 918]

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

I will admit that "loser" was in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with calling someone a liar if you believe them to be lying. Most of those quotes pertain to the claim that the Bush administration has been less than honest.

I think the reason that you see them as bashing and I don't is probably because I happen to agree with most of those quotes. However, I don't consider myself to be a Bush basher because I usually don't even talk politics. To me, those really are just opinions.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

I will admit that "loser" was in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with calling someone a liar if you believe them to be lying. Most of those quotes pertain to the claim that the Bush administration has been less than honest.

I think the reason that you see them as bashing and I don't is probably because I happen to agree with most of those quotes. However, I don't consider myself to be a Bush basher because I usually don't even talk politics. To me, those really are just opinions.

Hey Jenn, I bet we can agree on this one ALL politicians are LIARS! and I think alot of these politicians that make comments like this on either side are totally vacant of any ideas for our country at all!

[Jenn! 918]

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

I will admit that "loser" was in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with calling someone a liar if you believe them to be lying. Most of those quotes pertain to the claim that the Bush administration has been less than honest.

I think the reason that you see them as bashing and I don't is probably because I happen to agree with most of those quotes. However, I don't consider myself to be a Bush basher because I usually don't even talk politics. To me, those really are just opinions.

Hey Jenn, I bet we can agree on this one ALL politicians are LIARS! and I think alot of these politicians that make comments like this on either side are totally vacant of any ideas for our country at all!

I'll definitely agree that all politicians are liars!

[Lewis 0]

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

I will admit that "loser" was in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with calling someone a liar if you believe them to be lying. Most of those quotes pertain to the claim that the Bush administration has been less than honest.

I think the reason that you see them as bashing and I don't is probably because I happen to agree with most of those quotes. However, I don't consider myself to be a Bush basher because I usually don't even talk politics. To me, those really are just opinions.

Hey Jenn, I bet we can agree on this one ALL politicians are LIARS! and I think alot of these politicians that make comments like this on either side are totally vacant of any ideas for our country at all!

I'll definitely agree that all politicians are liars!

After about 9 pages, that sums it up.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

I will admit that "loser" was in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with calling someone a liar if you believe them to be lying. Most of those quotes pertain to the claim that the Bush administration has been less than honest.

I think the reason that you see them as bashing and I don't is probably because I happen to agree with most of those quotes. However, I don't consider myself to be a Bush basher because I usually don't even talk politics. To me, those really are just opinions.

Hey Jenn, I bet we can agree on this one ALL politicians are LIARS! and I think alot of these politicians that make comments like this on either side are totally vacant of any ideas for our country at all!

I'll definitely agree that all politicians are liars!

Wow now if the politicians can acheive what we just did in our discussion! and look no name calling! gotta get to work!

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Where exactly are all of these supposed Bush bashers that do nothing with their lives except hate Bush and his administration? I haven't met any of them. It seems to me that the real obsession is with seeking out people who have different opinions and totally exaggerating their fervor.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Chavez "an everyday thug." "You don't come into my country, you don't come into my congressional district, and you don't condemn my president," said Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y. Yes, the same Rangel who, after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor in the 2000 presidential election, pronounced the decision an "injustice." With this newfound patriotic fervor, Democrats lashed into Hugo Chavez. Why, how dare he criticize President Bush in a demeaning, brutal fashion!

Here's the question. Where were the neo-defenders of Bush when Democrats repeatedly, and viciously, said virtually the same thing as did Chavez?

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.: "I sometimes feel as though Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington."

Former President Jimmy Carter: "Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world. These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Week after week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie after lie. And now, despite the increasingly restless Iraqi population, the administration still refuses to face the truth, or to tell the truth."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.: "Their plan is lie and die. And that's what they're doing. They lie to America about what's happening on the ground, they lie about why we're there, they lie about what's happening."

Rep. John Murtha D-Pa.: "Our troops [in Haditha] . . . killed innocent civilians in cold blood." (Murtha said this before there was an investigation. He later apologized.)

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: Bush is a "loser" and a "liar." (Reid later apologized for loser, not liar.)

Michael Moore, the guy the Democrats granted a seat next to former President Jimmy Carter during the Democratic National Convention, called President Bush a "deserter," said "there is no terrorist threat" and denounced the war in Iraq, arguing that America entered into it because of "the oil companies, Israel, Halliburton."

there you go! I havent met them either! LOL

Yup, a bunch of people with different opinions. Oh, the horror!

ETA: Talk about conspiracy theories...

you wanted to know where the Bush bashers were I showed you a few, I know they have different opinions! and its fine to have a debate on issues, but to make statements such as this is absolutely hilarious. Where is the opinion in their Quotes? Its just plain bashing and absolutely no ideas of their own!

Hey, would you mind answering my questions now? I'm totally convinced that you're good at reproducing other people's opinions as seen through your extensive citations from the right-wing media. The stuff you posted above is from another rant concerning the supposed connections between U.S. liberals and Chavez.

Btw, none of the people you cite are over 30 and still live with their parents, meaning this doesn't support your earlier statement. As a matter of fact, most left-leaning people (none of them liberals) I know hold real jobs, earn their living, and are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Hey, would you mind answering my questions now? I'm totally convinced that you're good at reproducing other people's opinions as seen through your extensive citations from the right-wing media. The stuff you posted above is from another rant concerning the supposed connections between U.S. liberals and Chavez.

Btw, none of the people you cite are over 30 and still live with their parents, meaning this doesn't support your earlier statement. As a matter of fact, most left-leaning people (none of them liberals) I know hold real jobs, earn their living, and are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves.

I dont feel like wasting my time, I could write a 1000 page thesis on the subject and all you would do is twist,spin,bellyflop,nit pick,parse, your way out of it and end with another question! so sorry not gonna take your BAIT!

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Hey, would you mind answering my questions now? I'm totally convinced that you're good at reproducing other people's opinions as seen through your extensive citations from the right-wing media. The stuff you posted above is from another rant concerning the supposed connections between U.S. liberals and Chavez.

Btw, none of the people you cite are over 30 and still live with their parents, meaning this doesn't support your earlier statement. As a matter of fact, most left-leaning people (none of them liberals) I know hold real jobs, earn their living, and are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves.

I dont feel like wasting my time, I could write a 1000 page thesis on the subject and all you would do is twist,spin,bellyflop,nit pick,parse, your way out of it and end with another question! so sorry not gonna take your BAIT!

How do you know? So far you haven't made a single point that was not ripped from some neo-con publication and entirely your own.

Also, there's no need for 1000 pages. All it takes is a few self-conceived sentences.

I honestly would like to have a serious discussion, but that is impossible if all that is coming back is a barrage of stereotypes and commonplaces.

[Carol&Marc 0]

I dont feel like wasting my time, I could write a 1000 page thesis on the subject and all you would do is twist,spin,bellyflop,nit pick,parse, your way out of it and end with another question! so sorry not gonna take your BAIT!

How do you know? So far you haven't made a single point that was not ripped from some neo-con publication and entirely your own.

Also, there's no need for 1000 pages. All it takes is a few self-conceived sentences.

and commonplaces.

Fish said: "ripped from some neo-con publication and entirely your own."

These are QUOTES ripped from an article! and they are TRUE! The statements I cut and pasted are ones that I agree with strongly! you can interpret them however you see fit. It seems anything coming from what you conceive to be from anything resembling the right you start adding words such as neo-con to put a negative conotation to it!

Fish said:" I honestly would like to have a serious discussion, but that is impossible if all that is coming back is a barrage of stereotypes"

Personally I havent seen much of barrage of anything! you refer to Bush as Bushie, you said he was unintelligent, he maybe! I dont know him personally and I'm sure you don't either. So if you would just enlighten me on one thing who the hell put you in charge of JUDGING intelligence! If I started refering to you as Stinky fish I'm sure you would'nt appreciate it much at all! So when you got the Democrats out there calling him school yard names is just ridiculous! The only reason I think they do it is because in some sick way it makes them feel good! Oh and i'm sure all your info comes from ligitimate places only you know about!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Bichons are lovely little dogs.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Bichons are lovely little dogs.

Yep they are little cuties!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Bichons are lovely little dogs.

Yep they are little cuties!

They're like little people, except with fur.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Bichons are lovely little dogs.

Yep they are little cuties!

They're like little people, except with fur.

yep they are like little 3 year olds