i love liberals!

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PsychoKat said:

Or...maybe members of our government are empathically feeding off of the actions and responses of each other and digressing intellectually back to their grammer school days. Based on this accounting it appears that digression into school yard name calling and such is not one sided

I apologize for the length but on the upside it is humorous in some areas....and maybe a bit scary in others

I agrree about the digression on both sides, I think the dems are more guilty of it though.

I have never seen Bush even respond to these comments! thank goodness.

It's understandable that Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) would be upset at "the small but vocal group of national Republicans that attacked [his] patriotism and compared [him] to Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden at the very same time [his] son was defending our nation in Afghanistan." And it's understandable, but not acceptable, that he lashed back in like fashion by referring to "the Taliban wing of the Republican Party."

Name calling has attained the status of an art form in the blogosphere, but it isn't productive in the political arena. It impairs the ability to engage in a rational dialog. It offends gratuitously. Public officials don't serve the public by indulging in it. Nor do they serve their parties by providing ammunition to an opposition trying to arouse its base.

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006667.html

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Carolandmarc seems to think that a debate does not involve participating in discussion and an exchange of ideas

The evasion/silence speaks volumes.

Jenn we are having a little debate here,and I would never call you a Liar and a loser! So to do that would pretty much negate anything else I had to say!

Shame that logic doesn't apply to calling people "anti-american" and then refusing to back it up.

I dont feel like wasting my time, I could write a 1000 page thesis on the subject and all you would do is twist,spin,bellyflop,nit pick,parse, your way out of it and end with another question! so sorry not gonna take your BAIT!

Hmmmm... Doesn't feel like wasting time, but clearly feels compelled to continue posting on the topic regardless. This is the guy who complains about being baited after first asking clearly loaded, emotionally hysterical questions such as Why is President Bush like HITLER?, something that noone has claimed here.

Which reminds me:

Wimp Lo, you must be careful. Your confiidence is disproportional to your abilities. You think losing is winning.

Heh? Uh, uh-- Huh?

erekrose, your so pi$$ed you cant see straight! your obsessed with this matter! back off ! PsychoKat just told a very moving story about something that happened in his life and you did not even aknowledge it at all! you need to go have a drink and mellow out! And I certainly dont think fish needs you holding his or her hand, by the way i had other things to do than sit here and wait for you to post more #######! and I will say it one more time,IT WOULDNT MATTER WHAT I SAID YOU WOULD JUST SAY I DIDNT ANSWER IT TO YOUR LIKING AND THE ####### WOULD START OVER AGAIN,GOT IT!

PsychoKat, Im sorry for your loss! and hope everything is going okay!

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erekrose, your so pi$$ed you cant see straight! your obsessed with this matter! back off ! PsychoKat just told a very moving story about something that happened in his life and you did not even aknowledge it at all! you need to go have a drink and mellow out! And I certainly dont think fish needs you holding his or her hand, by the way i had other things to do than sit here and wait for you to post more #######! and I will say it one more time,IT WOULDNT MATTER WHAT I SAID YOU WOULD JUST SAY I DIDNT ANSWER IT TO YOUR LIKING AND THE ####### WOULD START OVER AGAIN,GOT IT!

Quite mellow over here bud, drinking my tea while I'm finishing up a story for my Unemployed/Freelance Writing gig.

It wouldn't matter what you said? Perhaps, but you haven't approached this thread with anything approaching good manners, let alone with any integrity or honesty. Can you answer it to my satisfaction? Well that's academic really - seeing as you haven't answered anything at all.

I admit that last one, was intended simply to get a rise - but I think its glaringly obvious where you stand on the issue. In the wilderness - with the tumbleweed.

How about I call YOU anti-american?

BTW - if you're wondering why I'm progressing this, its because that exact accusation has been levelled at me from time to time, then (as now with your levelling it as Fisch) the person didn't have the courage of their convictions to back it up.

Edited October 4, 2006 by erekose

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PsychoKat, Im sorry for your loss! and hope everything is going okay!

Thank you for your thoughts. I will admit it was a very difficult loss, she was 8 years younger than me and even now for me it still doesn't "feel" right, and it's still quite difficult for her family.

I've been trying to word something to the effect of what she went through brought out good in others, selfless acts out of nothing more than kindness and compassion, even in a politician! but hmm I'm stumped for words now so I'll leave it at that.

Thank you

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erekrose, your so pi$$ed you cant see straight! your obsessed with this matter! back off ! PsychoKat just told a very moving story about something that happened in his life and you did not even aknowledge it at all! you need to go have a drink and mellow out! And I certainly dont think fish needs you holding his or her hand, by the way i had other things to do than sit here and wait for you to post more #######! and I will say it one more time,IT WOULDNT MATTER WHAT I SAID YOU WOULD JUST SAY I DIDNT ANSWER IT TO YOUR LIKING AND THE ####### WOULD START OVER AGAIN,GOT IT!

Quite mellow over here bud, drinking my tea while I'm finishing up a story for my Unemployed/Freelance Writing gig.

It wouldn't matter what you said? Perhaps, but you haven't approached this thread with anything approaching good manners, let alone with any integrity or honesty. Can you answer it to my satisfaction? Well that's academic really - seeing as you haven't answered anything at all.

I admit that last one, was intended simply to get a rise - but I think its glaringly obvious where you stand on the issue. In the wilderness - with the tumbleweed.

How about I call YOU anti-american?

e, then (as now with your levelling it as Fisch) the person didn't have the courage of their convictions to back it up.

okay okay I give,show me a pro american post from YOUR past,That in it self will PROVE me wrong! if you cant come up with one make one up! you are so stuck on your own words, its almost comical!

BTW - if you're wondering why I'm progressing this, its because that exact accusation has been levelled at me from time to time

time to time! your just another lost soul hoping to find a place! I wish i could help you but i beleive in self confidence! and self worth, I dont think you have any! you come here to try to show some kind of intelligence but you make yourself look like a fool. Let me put it this way, What is the MEANING of UNAMERICAN? someone that is welcomed here and then proceeds to KNOCK my country! you obviously are unhappy with what is going on here ( show me one of your I love america posts) then its very simple go live somewhere else! If the only thing that comes from you is I H A T E! then BAIL!

I am sure I will here freedom of speech or something of the sort! the fact is you are un happy, go to where you will find the hapiness thet you crave! this i am sure is un acceptable answer for you as all the others have been! I truly hope you find what your looking for!

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PsychoKat, Im sorry for your loss! and hope everything is going okay!

Thank you for your thoughts. I will admit it was a very difficult loss, she was 8 years younger than me and even now for me it still doesn't "feel" right, and it's still quite difficult for her family.

I've been trying to word something to the effect of what she went through brought out good in others, selfless acts out of nothing more than kindness and compassion, even in a politician! but hmm I'm stumped for words now so I'll leave it at that.

Thank you

Your story is very emotional and I am at a loss for words! I gauratee (miss spelled) having a hard time articulating! The governor could have shucked you off, but he did'nt ! He helped, some how I think that your loss has made you a better person! and for sure you have a better understanding of the value of LIFE!

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okay okay I give,show me a pro american post from YOUR past,That in it self will PROVE me wrong! if you cant come up with one make one up! you are so stuck on your own words, its almost comical!

BTW - if you're wondering why I'm progressing this, its because that exact accusation has been levelled at me from time to time

time to time! your just another lost soul hoping to find a place! I wish i could help you but i beleive in self confidence! and self worth, I dont think you have any! you come here to try to show some kind of intelligence but you make yourself look like a fool. Let me put it this way, What is the MEANING of UNAMERICAN? someone that is welcomed here and then proceeds to KNOCK my country! you obviously are unhappy with what is going on here ( show me one of your I love america posts) then its very simple go live somewhere else! If the only thing that comes from you is I H A T E! then BAIL!

I am sure I will here freedom of speech or something of the sort! the fact is you are un happy, go to where you will find the hapiness thet you crave! this i am sure is un acceptable answer for you as all the others have been! I truly hope you find what your looking for!

Right - I look like a fool. All I've asked you to do is to show the same courteousy others have shown you - when you instead you slammed them for spewing "Simple Anti-American Opinions", then persistently refusing to address the issue. Curiously you've then accused others of ducking and diving, when in fact we've tried to stay on topic - its you who doesn't want to actually discuss the topic.

BTW how about you point out my posts from this thread that you consider "UnAmerican".

So now I'm "Un-American" eh? How refreshing, because I suppose I'm the one who's jumped into this thread, ridiculed everyone, didn't read people's posts, and essentially labelled them a traitor while refusing to back it up. On that score BTW - its generally accepted that if you make a statement/accusation - its on you to actually prove it. As I said your unwillingness / inability to do that speaks volumes. The phrase ignorant git seems quite apt here.

I can only assume that your personal dislike of certain other members (myself included) outweighs any pretense of rationality, and precludes you from engaging in a civilised discourse. You can't even separate the present administration from the rest of the country, so ANY criticism of Bush according to that logic becomes "anti-american" by definition.

That's OK - evasion and smearing are typical strategies of this administration - and seeing how you rely so closely on White House press statements for your opinions I can't really blame you for that

Edited October 4, 2006 by erekose

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I dont feel like wasting my time, I could write a 1000 page thesis on the subject and all you would do is twist,spin,bellyflop,nit pick,parse, your way out of it and end with another question! so sorry not gonna take your BAIT!

How do you know? So far you haven't made a single point that was not ripped from some neo-con publication and entirely your own.

Also, there's no need for 1000 pages. All it takes is a few self-conceived sentences.

and commonplaces.

Fish said: "ripped from some neo-con publication and entirely your own."

These are QUOTES ripped from an article! and they are TRUE! The statements I cut and pasted are ones that I agree with strongly! you can interpret them however you see fit. It seems anything coming from what you conceive to be from anything resembling the right you start adding words such as neo-con to put a negative conotation to it!

Even if you agree with them strongly doesn't mean you can just post them as your opinion. Furthermore, they are not from an article but from an editorial/ opinion essay that is all over the conservative newsmedia. Articles contain fact, editorials contain opinions, meaning they are not true.

Fish said:" I honestly would like to have a serious discussion, but that is impossible if all that is coming back is a barrage of stereotypes"

Personally I havent seen much of barrage of anything!

I have. As a reminder (and I know erekose has already pointed this out), you have accused me of being anti-American, of lacking intelligence, of refusing to have a real argument, of not being worth your time and so on.

you refer to Bush as Bushie, you said he was unintelligent, he maybe! I dont know him personally and I'm sure you don't either. So if you would just enlighten me on one thing who the hell put you in charge of JUDGING intelligence!

I have never doubted Bush's intelligence, I have just stated that there are smarter people than he, which is not that uncommon as there are only a few people who can claim that there are smarter than the rest of humanity. Also, I would never refer to Bush as Bushie as that would indicate a degree of acquaintance that I don't have or it would mean that I was condescending towards Bush. So please don't put words in my mouth.

If I started refering to you as Stinky fish I'm sure you would'nt appreciate it much at all! So when you got the Democrats out there calling him school yard names is just ridiculous! The only reason I think they do it is because in some sick way it makes them feel good! Oh and i'm sure all your info comes from ligitimate places only you know about!

I do not nor have I ever incited any democrats to name calling. First of all, I don't know any democrats, and second of all I believe in certain standards for political debate. Name-callling is stupid and attests to a poltical climate worthy of an dictatorship and not a democracy.

As to my info, it comes from a range of sources, but primarily the mainstream media. It is accessible to you as well if you took the time to read outside the narrow constraints of the right-wing new services. Yet, I do admit that all I write represents my own opinion in my own words, based on newsreports, lots of reading of books (the factual not the ranting kind), and long-term observation.

And now, I would appreciate it if you stopped leveling personal attacks at me and moved on to the issues.

Edited October 4, 2006 by Fischkoepfin