Is the Federal Government Abandoning Border Security Altogether?

[peejay 327]

The government has its responsibilities absolutely. I just don't understand why the situation described in the op is the fault of the current administration, when it seems that this has been ongoing for many years.

Who cares what that idiot Bush or any of the other idiots did yesterday? This is now. You can't blame Bush forever. This administration can't keep using past administrations to cover up for its own malfeasance, corruption, and incompetence.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The government has its responsibilities absolutely. I just don't understand why the situation described in the op is the fault of the current administration, when it seems that this has been ongoing for many years.

Because when a guy likes to throw around the term "status quo" a lot and have his goons in the house/senate do the same thing, then he is taking full responsibility for the problems that are at hand in this nation.

[Pooky 3,785]

The government has its responsibilities absolutely. I just don't understand why the situation described in the op is the fault of the current administration, when it seems that this has been ongoing for many years.

I'm not saying it is. I'm laying the blame at the feet of Washington in general, not just the current administration.

However, that doesn't change the fact that it's this current administration's watch. It is now their duty to do something.

Send 1,200 National Guard to advise and observe? Pathetic. Send 12,000, 24,000 to secure the border. And let the immigrants know that the troops are armed and free to shoot, given any provocation. You might find the flow of "innocent" illegals slows to a stop, while the criminal element will always try it. Less collateral damage.

A bit drastic? Maybe. But unless the Federal government is willing to indemnify private citizens against legal action in the case of the shooting of a foreign national, which is a potential legal quagmire of epic proportions, the Federal government MUST be the ones defending the border.

[evli1966 88]

The government has its responsibilities absolutely. I just don't understand why the situation described in the op is the fault of the current administration, when it seems that this has been ongoing for many years.

Madhouse your correct except just becasue we switch administrations doesn't mea the problem goes away. As the problem persists or grows the citizens want and deserve action no matter who is there. It is the current administrations responsibility to act and if they do not pr act inappropriately to the views of the citizens then the administration is affected negatively. Why do you think Obama is losing not only constituents but democratic congress support

Because when a guy likes to throw around the term "status quo" a lot and have his goons in the house/senate do the same thing, then he is taking full responsibility for the problems that are at hand in this nation.

Edited June 20, 2010 by evli1966

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who cares what that idiot Bush or any of the other idiots did yesterday? This is now. You can't blame Bush forever. This administration can't keep using past administrations to cover up for its own malfeasance, corruption, and incompetence.

who is blaming Bush? I'm not.

I'm pointing out, as I'm sure you yourself ate aware, that rural issues are not, nor have ever been at the forefront of decision making by *any* Federal government.

It's a false premise to suggest that suddenly the government is not interested in border control.

[Pooky 3,785]

who is blaming Bush? I'm not.

I'm pointing out, as I'm sure you yourself ate aware, that rural issues are not, nor have ever been at the forefront of decision making by *any* Federal government.

It's a false premise to suggest that suddenly the government is not interested in border control.

No-one did. What people want is for the government to suddenly become interested in border control.

[peejay 327]

who is blaming Bush? I'm not.

I'm pointing out, as I'm sure you yourself ate aware, that rural issues are not, nor have ever been at the forefront of decision making by *any* Federal government.

It's a false premise to suggest that suddenly the government is not interested in border control.

The current administration is not interested in enforcing any immigration / work authorization laws that would deter illegal immigration. In fact, they are aiding and abetting it. And while they do that they pander to the open border crowd. The only thing Obama and his far left wing cronies are interested in is mass amnesty. They will lie, misrepresent, and do anything to shove it up our arses.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Repost.

There is clearly a One World, open borders agenda being pushed by the White House. Notice the contrast between what immigration enforcement used to be in Arizona before Obama, and what the Obama administration has has done to try to undermine enforcement since 2008, from the hostile persecution of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the cut back of 287g in his county, to the federal offensive against SB 1070:

July 21, 2008

ICE reports record number of deportations in Arizona

2008 removals increase by more than 5,500 over similar period in 2007

PHOENIX - U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials are crediting innovative programs and improved organizational efficiency with spurring a sharp increase in the number of illegal aliens removed from Arizona this year.

For the first nine months of this fiscal year (October 2007 to June 2008) the Phoenix Office of Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) removed 38,799 illegal aliens from Arizona. Over the same period in the previous fiscal year, there were 33,243 removals, an increase of 5,556. DRO officials are projecting that the total number of illegal aliens removed by ICE from Arizona will top more than 50,000 for the first time since the agency was created in 2003.

"As ICE continues to strengthen its partnerships and focus its resources more effectively, we are seeing positive results in our mission to identify and remove illegal aliens from Arizona," said Katrina S. Kane, DRO Phoenix field office director. "Two programs in particular - Law Enforcement Agency Response (LEAR) and the Criminal Alien Program at the Maricopa County Jail - have played an important role in this increase.

The LEAR program began in September 2006 to provide a more comprehensive response to Arizona law enforcement agencies seeking assistance from ICE during encounters with suspected illegal aliens. From October 1, 2006 to June 30, 2007, the LEAR unit received 897 calls for assistance and arrested 5,249 illegal aliens. For the same period this fiscal year, the unit received 1,283 calls for assistance and arrested 6,235 illegal aliens.

Following a 287(g) agreement made last year with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office to train and designate county jail detention officers with federal immigration authority, ICE and MCSO set up a joint Criminal Alien Program (CAP) at Maricopa County's inmate intake facility to screen the immigration status of everyone who is arrested in the county and processed at their facility.

ICE began CAP in June 2007 to identify criminal foreign-born aliens in federal, state and local jails and prisons and target them for removal. By combining the national CAP program with MCSO's local 287(g) program, both agencies are better able to effectively use their resources in ensuring that criminal aliens are not released back onto the street to further victimize Arizona communities. More than 14,295 foreign-born criminals have been identified and targeted for removal from the United States. A similar program run in conjunction with the Arizona Department of Corrections has resulted in more than 4,200 illegal aliens identified for removal from the state prison system.

"One of ICE's top enforcement priorities is to improve public safety in Arizona communities," said Kane. "By focusing our resources on programs that identify criminal aliens for removal from the United States, we are succeeding in our mission to keep foreign-born criminals off of the streets in Arizona."

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Has any Federal Administration in your lifetime taken a strong, decisive stance on illegal immigration?

[Pooky 3,785]

Has any Federal Administration in your lifetime taken a strong, decisive stance on illegal immigration?

No.

But saying no-one has in the past does not in any way excuse this administration from its responsibility.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No.

But saying no-one has in the past does not in any way excuse this administration from its responsibility.

Indeed it does not. But if pointed criticisms are being made about the current administration being far left socialists, I'd say that a sense of perspective needs to be regained.

[Pooky 3,785]

Indeed it does not. But if pointed criticisms are being made about the current administration being far left socialists, I'd say that a sense of perspective needs to be regained.

That's a different thread.

This one's about the government enforcing border control.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nope, same thread. Just not one of your posts I was referring to.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Has any Federal Administration in your lifetime taken a strong, decisive stance on illegal immigration?

Most administrations have offered impotent salves, yet, there was a time in the 1950's when the federal program "Operation Wetback", deported 3.8 million illegal Mexicans, and several programs were implemented to control illegal border crossings at the urging of Mexican-American rights leaders, such as Cesar Chavez. In revisionist history, Cesar Chavez, the United Farm Workers co-founder, has been erringly co-opeted as a champion of illegal farm workers. In real life, he actually used to carry dimes for pay phones to report workers in the field he suspected of being illegal.

In 1969, he marched with civil rights icon Ralph Abernathy, Democratic Senator Walter Mondale and others to the Mexican border in protestation of illegal immigration. Chavez understood that the law of supply and demand would cut wages for the people he was trying to help, and even formed a Minuteman-like border patrol to turn away illegals at the border.

In the early 1980's illegals still feared "La Migra", and stories of business raids and deportations were common. In the mid-1990's, President Bill Clinton strengthened border enforcement, built more fencing on the border, and raised the budget for immigration enforcement. Crime along the Mexican border from San Diego to Arizona dropped from 14 to 20%.

Now, major crime is up, law enforcement is villifed, and the Americans for legal immigration are denounced as racist and xenophobic by their own government. I'd say it's not hard to see where the priorities are for this administration.

[peejay 327]

Has any Federal Administration in your lifetime taken a strong, decisive stance on illegal immigration?

Not that I'm a Bush cheerleader, but after the American people strongly rebelled against the repeated attempts at amnesty toward the end of his administration he began doing audits, raiding havens of illegal employment, fining employers, prosecuting illegal aliens for identity theft/fraud, and deporting the illegal aliens caught up in the raids. Sure, it was like closing the gate after he left it wide open for years, but at least it was moving in the right direction.

Obama has since stopped the raids along with promoting "illegal alien friendly" policies. He has switched to openly aiding and abetting illegal immigration with his present policies. He is dismantling immigration and work authorization enforcement to pander to Hispanics along with repeated promises of mass amnesty.

This is unacceptable and inexcusable behavior coming from the Federal government.

Edited June 20, 2010 by peejay