70,000 civilians killed in bombing

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

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[Hilarious Clinton 452]

'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.'

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.'

funny how no one was whining about civilians getting killed then, but one dead one in lebanon and the news is all over it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not sure that you can relativise the destruction of Japanese cities by A-Bomb with the current situation going in Lebanon. The situations were very different - as was the level of desperation (after suffering many tens of thousands of troop casualties) that prompted the US to drop the bomb.

Hezbollah/Israel 2006 is not WW2.

You have one side that fires antiquated missiles indiscriminately into Israel (many of which have no chance of hitting a populated area) vs. a heavily armed, state of the art military that steadily pounding a region of Lebanon into dust.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

I'm not sure that you can relativise the destruction of Japanese cities by A-Bomb with the current situation going in Lebanon. The situations were very different - as was the level of desperation (after suffering many tens of thousands of troop casualties) that prompted the US to drop the bomb.

Hezbollah/Israel 2006 is not WW2.

You have one side that fires antiquated missiles indiscriminately into Israel (many of which have no chance of hitting a populated area) vs. a heavily armed, state of the art military that steadily pounding a region of Lebanon into dust.

bows and arrows are antiquated too but they still kill effectively.

only reason such has 'no chance of hitting a populated area' is the ineptitude of those firing them.

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only reason such has 'no chance of hitting a populated area' is the ineptitude of those firing them.

Well, if Hizballah is inept, the least Israel can do is shoot with their eyes closed, so as to be as inept as Hizballah. Anything else simply wouldn't be "proportionate"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

only reason such has 'no chance of hitting a populated area' is the ineptitude of those firing them.

Well, if Hizballah is inept, the least Israel can do is shoot with their eyes closed, so as to be as inept as Hizballah. Anything else simply wouldn't be "proportionate"

The relative impotence of Hezbollah's antiquated has nothing to do with their ideological desire and zealous fervour to destroy Israel.

But this particular conflict is being fought on a level other than that of conventional warfare. It is a propaganda war - and to win all Hezbollah HAS TO DO is fire as many rockets as possible (whether or not they hit anything is ultimately irrelevant, though clearly they aren't trying to miss). All Israel CAN DO is lay waste to the entire region with a massive aerial and artillery bombardment that has destroyed the nations infrastructure and killed an inordinate number of Lebanese civilians (who have nowhere else to go, and have no way to leave because all the roads and transport links have been destroyed.

It seems fairly clear to me who is 'winning'

[mawilson 2,133]

It seems fairly clear to me who is 'winning'

I don't think that Hezbollah are winning if the people of Lebanon are losing on their behalf.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like Al Qaeda, Hezbollah will use the massive collateral damage resulting from Israel's typically heavy-handed response to say "Look at what they (Israel) are doing to our people". Ultimately it gives Hezbollah and its backers validation that Israel (and its backers) are waging war on Islam. Most of the people living in southern lebanon, many of whom are not members of Hezbollah or otherwise affiliated with them, having been subject to israeli military incursions in the past, probably don't have much reason to trust them now.

Whatever trust they might have had would likely evaporate the instant their community is hit by an Israeli bomb.

[lostinlove228 0]

The rockets into isreal will stop if Isreal stops its crimes. What happened is Japen should be taken as a Lesson Nukes should not exist within any nation. People seem to forget that the US and Isreal posses such weapons.

On the point of rockets going into Isreal, don't forget that the bombs being dropped in lebanon are accurate and hitting building in which civilians are there. As of now, My cousin and my ant's home has been destroyed. There was no "Hezbollah homes or offices there". No one is hurt Thank God.

What is Happening in Lebanon is a Crime of War. What Happened in Japan is Discussting. What is more discusting is the fact that the world has let it go on that long and it is still going on. The Human race in General discusts me. Shame on all the Governments. and Shame on the ones that Support them.

Like Al Qaeda, Hezbollah will use the massive collateral damage resulting from Israel's typically heavy-handed response to say "Look at what they (Israel) are doing to our people". Ultimately it gives Hezbollah and its backers validation that Israel (and its backers) are waging war on Islam. Most of the people living in southern lebanon, many of whom are not members of Hezbollah or otherwise affiliated with them, having been subject to israeli military incursions in the past, probably don't have much reason to trust them now.

Whatever trust they might have had would likely evaporate the instant their community is hit by an Israeli bomb.

Why in the Hell would you trust Isreal When Isreal in the past has said That lebanon and Isreal cannot co exist. The Bottom line is the US gave the green light to Isreal to destroy Lebanon. I have no sympothy for Isreal, after all don't forget that Isreal is an Occupied land just like the US. They where built on Murder.

[mawilson 2,133]

You are absolutely right, but what makes you think that war is bad for Israel or the US?

The military drives commerce and vice versa. The industrial revolution started because

King George needed cannons for his troops in the American colonies, which in turn led to

the invention of the steam engine to pump water out of coalmines to produce high-grade

coke for iron smelting. Computers were invented to help win World War II --

Alan Turing's Colossus computer to decipher Enigma codes and electronic devices at

Los Alamos to calculate the reaction of uranium-235 for the atomic bomb.

I have no sympothy for Isreal, after all don't forget that Isreal is an Occupied land just like the US. They where built on Murder.

Reeeeeally now? LuckyStrike -- you hear that?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You are absolutely right, but what makes you think that war is bad for Israel or the US?

The military drives commerce and vice versa. The industrial revolution started because

King George needed cannons for his troops in the American colonies, which in turn led to

the invention of the steam engine to pump water out of coalmines to produce high-grade

coke for iron smelting. Computers were invented to help win World War II --

Alan Turing's Colossus computer to decipher Enigma codes and electronic devices at

Los Alamos to calculate the reaction of uranium-235 for the atomic bomb.

It's good for us in the sense that war has always been good for us. But for the purposes of stopping terrorism and fundamentalist extremism - no. Never has, never will.

[lostinlove228 0]

It's good for us, how sick is that. The world was a safer place before "the war on Terror". Terror doesn't end terror. The only thing that happens is there is more terror and a bunch of people die.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The point is - this is not new. It's business as usual - and certainly business as usual in that part of the world.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

The rockets into isreal will stop if Isreal stops its crimes. What happened is Japen should be taken as a Lesson Nukes should not exist within any nation. People seem to forget that the US and Isreal posses such weapons.

which came first, the rockets or the israeli bombardment?