15 Mexican Federal Officers Killed By Gunmen - More Drug Wars...

[Obama 2012 1,714]

We seriously need a wall between ourselves and this country. Perhaps a 20 foot high one at that..

With this type of ####### happening every day, there's not much telling who is coming in and out of this country that we don't know about.... If they're willing to do it there, you know they're willing to do it here.

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http://www.wfaa.com/news/world/Ten-federal-police-officers-slain-in-western-Mexico-96329834.html

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Gunmen killed 15 federal police officers Monday in separate attacks in two drug-plagued states, marking one of the bloodiest days for security forces since the government stepped up its fight with drug cartels.

Twelve officers died in an ambush near a high school in the western state of Michoacan, while assailants killed three more officers in a northern border state.

The latest in a series of mass slayings came as President Felipe Calderon defended his crackdown on traffickers in an essay on his office's website. He vowed he won't back down despite criticism that violence has only surged since he deployed thousands of troops and federal police in late 2006 seeking to crush the cartels.

"I'm clearly convinced that we would be in a much worse situation if we hadn't decided to fight criminals," Calderon wrote in the 5,000-word essay, which was published by several newspapers.

"If we remain with our arms crossed, we will remain in the hands of organized crime, we will always live in fear," the president said in the essay, which also blames Mexico's violence on the United States' voracious appetitive for illegal drugs.

In the ambush in Michoacan, Calderon's home state, officers riding in four pickup trucks were returning from a patrol when they came under fire in the city of Zitacuaro, the federal Public Safety Department said in a statement.

Ten officers died on the spot and two more on the way to a hospital. Thirteen other officers with wounds were taken to hospitals in Mexico City, the nearby city of Toluca and to the Michoacan state capital, Morelia, the Michoacan Public Safety Department said in a statement.

The federal safety department said several assailants were also killed or wounded, but officials did not provide a number.

In a separate statement, the department said gunmen killed three federal officers patrolling in the northern city of Chihuahua. One officer was wounded, the statement said.

Also Monday, three gunmen were killed in a clash with soldiers in Michoacan. Two soldiers were wounded, the state attorney general's office said. It said one of the attackers was detained.

Brutal drug-gang violence has swept Michoacan, a state known for its picturesque colonial capital, beaches and Monarch butterfly sanctuary, and as the place where Calderon first launched his crackdown. The state is a stronghold of La Familia, a cartel known for beheading its rivals and making bold attacks on government security forces.

Among attacks on law enforcement, the bloodied and tortured bodies of 12 federal agents were found last year dumped along a highway in Michoacan.

Police did not immediately identify attackers involved in Monday's ambush or indicate whether they were suspected of being gunmen for La Familia. But the Public Safety Department did say the assailants picked up their wounded and dead and fled with them, a tactic often used by drug cartels.

The U.S. State Department has issued a travel warning urging U.S. citizens "to exercise extreme caution when traveling in Michoacan."

Nationwide, more than 22,700 people have been killed in drug violence since Calderon ordered the government offensive against cartels when he took office in December 2006.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The US doesn't need a wall. It was stupid when the Chinese built one back in the middle ages - we don't need to follow suit.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The US doesn't need a wall. It was stupid when the Chinese built one back in the middle ages - we don't need to follow suit.

so you'd prefer armed services with gatling guns?

[IndigoSkies 168]

20-feet walls are easily scaleable. What we need is 60-feet walls with moats on the Mexican side, with freaking aligators with laser gun attached to their head.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

so you'd prefer armed services with gatling guns?

I'd prefer that we don't pretend that we can eliminate drug crime, when the real issue is the huge demand for illicit substances in the USA.

[Heracles 417]

The US doesn't need a wall. It was stupid when the Chinese built one back in the middle ages - we don't need to follow suit.

being the key word

I'd prefer that we don't pretend that we can eliminate drug crime, when the real issue is the huge demand for illicit substances in the USA.

I prefer we don't pretend we know or can fix Mexico's inner-workings. An adequate wall is exactly what is needed to begin with.

Mexico|US is not the equivalent of Germany|France, many seem to forget that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We have already been over this - illegal immigration needs to be addressed at the employer level. Building a huge wall isn't exactly a cost effective thing to do when the US government (like every other government at the moment) is trying to reduce its national deficit. It's pie in the sky.

The drug trade is associated with illegal immigration, but the key issue is the massive demand for drugs in the USA. If that customer base didn't exist there wouldn't be a whole black market industry fulfilling its needs.

[Heracles 417]

The drug trade is associated with illegal immigration, but the key issue is the massive demand for drugs in the USA. If that customer base didn't exist there wouldn't be a whole black market industry fulfilling its needs.

Well I can't deny the demand, people seem to have this obsession with stuffing ###### up their noses or in their veins.

The wall is a physical and visual boundary to keep that ####### and people out. Man that wall with a patrol and there is basically little to no chance someone will climb over it and get to run. In other words, it takes out the largest and easiest P.O.I.

Edited June 15, 2010 by Booyah!

[Obama 2012 1,714]

We have already been over this - illegal immigration needs to be addressed at the employer level. Building a huge wall isn't exactly a cost effective thing to do when the US government (like every other government at the moment) is trying to reduce its national deficit. It's pie in the sky.

The drug trade is associated with illegal immigration, but the key issue is the massive demand for drugs in the USA. If that customer base didn't exist there wouldn't be a whole black market industry fulfilling its needs.

Cmon, do you realize the jobs it would create to build the 2,000 mile long wall of that nature. Bring home half the troops from overseas, put them on guard here while it's being built. Hire some private firms to build it... and bam! Look at that, it's magic!

I'm digging the gators/lasers idea too

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If it's all about job creation then perhaps we should build a series of giant arks to shelter people in the event of a global disaster.

The US won't withdraw troops from overseas - it's a big part of why the US enjoys it's position in the world.

[HappyKnappy 30]

Cmon, do you realize the jobs it would create to build the 2,000 mile long wall of that nature. Bring home half the troops from overseas, put them on guard here while it's being built. Hire some private firms to build it... and bam! Look at that, it's magic!

I'm digging the gators/lasers idea too

You have a point there. Wonder how many of the suit-clad unemployed men/women are willing to get dirty...

Bring home half of the troops for what? Leave America's interests overseas vulnerable? And speaking of interests, the debt is at 13 trillion, climbing fast and steadily. Want to add more to that?

PS - Alligators would not survive the AZ, NM, TX desert climate, you should go with sharks.

[natty bumppo 297]

PS - Alligators would not survive the AZ, NM, TX desert climate, you should go with sharks.

land sharks ...

[Heracles 417]

PS - Alligators would not survive the AZ, NM, TX desert climate, you should go with sharks.

How about giant lizards with fregin laser beams on them?

[Heracles 417]

I'll go build the border myself. Have you seen the cities we built in Melbourne and Sydney? I'll piss out a border in my sleep.

Mexico/US desert heat is a walk in the park compared to Australia's desert, with the next source of water there being a good 1,000 miles away and possibly dried out.

'I'm not Gary' on here can provide us with the equipment to erect the 25 foot high fence.

Edited June 15, 2010 by Booyah!

[HappyKnappy 30]

land sharks ...

Wow... Thank you for exposing your broad scope. I forgot to mention a 2000 mi. long pond and a pop-up book styled diagram for the special people. Sorry folks.

How about giant lizards with fregin laser beams on them?

You are a very smart individual, sir. You would create more jobs there. After all, someone's gotta attach the lasers!