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tmma   467

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But he wants to be, awww. That's all the definition Stevo needs.

Oh well, that makes it all OK then. Why didn't someone say something sooner? Steven can sponsor the kid and his family's visas & in afew years they can apply for naturalization.....Prob solved.

Liefde is een bloem zo teer dat hij knakt bij de minste aanraking en zo sterk dat niets zijn groei in de weg staat

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Oh cool. I hope ICE applies the CURRENT LAW, and not some bill that has no success in getting passed into a future law. He's here illegally, it's time to go back to Mexico, taking his parents in Sa

tmma
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Just because he is availing hinself of one of our Universities, does not exempt him from immigration laws. Send him home, make him get s student visa. Prob solved.

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I own land on the border, so I'm not just a bystander. I also have a relative visiting here who spent a long night trying to convince me to allow her to take an under the table job while here on a B2

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No he is not a citizen of the United States. What 'other definitions' are you refering to?

He's been a resident of this country most of his life and this has become his home. Deporting him to a country that is more foreign to him than the U.S. would serve no purpose to him or this country.

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You can't sugar coat his illegal presence by the phrases ' doesn't have legal documentation' or 'undocumented'. He is here illegally; as are his parents. If he was here legally, he would have documentation.

Honestly, what's so complicated here? Have him get a student visa. .....If he qualifies for one under the laws that apply to everyone which is what this country stands for ...equal under the law....Justice for all and that includes him...even if he is on wrong side.

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The thing here is that he wouldn't be eligible for one, based on his illegal presence in the US, for such a long time. He is paying for his parents' mistake, because he was brought here illegally. That makes him a criminal? Wow people, you really impress me. How dare that 4 year old stay with his parents? Why didn't he go back to Mexico when he was 18 and independent? It's very easy to judge and deal justice when something is not happening directly to you.

A whole lot of "if's" can be taken out from this and similar cases, but truth is, he won't be able to stay unless someone like a Senator steps in for him. It's sad really, because regardless of him being illegally here or not, he is way smarter than a lot of people here. Oh well, life stinks sometimes...

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He's been a resident of this country most of his life and this has become his home. Deporting him to a country that is more foreign to him than the U.S. would serve no purpose to him or this country.

illegal residency does not count as legal residency nor grant one the right to call a place home.

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He's been a resident of this country most of his life and this has become his home. Deporting him to a country that is more foreign to him than the U.S. would serve no purpose to him or this country.

It would serve the purpose of following the law.

Calling the USA ( or any other country) 'home' does not make you a citizen, no matter how much you want it to.

This just does not apply to the USA , my own experience of growing up in the UK to an American father and British mother and being born in the USA required all kinds of documentation in order to stay there....

It's the law. I don't see how much of a loss it would be to this country for him to finally get his presence here legalized by the correct documentation.

Until then, no matter how you phrase it or cut it---he is here illegally.

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Liefde is een bloem zo teer dat hij knakt bij de minste aanraking en zo sterk dat niets zijn groei in de weg staat

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IK HOU VAN JOU, MARK

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Take a large, almost round, rotating sphere about 8000 miles in diameter, surround it with a murky, viscous atmosphere of gases mixed with water vapor, tilt its axis so it wobbles back and forth with respect to a source of heat and light, freeze it at both ends and roast it in the middle, cover most of its surface with liquid that constantly feeds vapor into the atmosphere as the sphere tosses billions of gallons up and down to the rhythmic pulling of a captive satellite and the sun. Then try to predict the conditions of that atmosphere over a small area within a 5 mile radius for a period of one to five days in advance!

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illegal residency does not count as legal residency nor grant one the right to call a place home.

It does in Steven's Bizarro World.

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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The thing here is that he wouldn't be eligible for one, based on his illegal presence in the US, for such a long time. He is paying for his parents' mistake, because he was brought here illegally. That makes him a criminal? Wow people, you really impress me. How dare that 4 year old stay with his parents? Why didn't he go back to Mexico when he was 18 and independent? It's very easy to judge and deal justice when something is not happening directly to you.

A whole lot of "if's" can be taken out from this and similar cases, but truth is, he won't be able to stay unless someone like a Senator steps in for him. It's sad really, because regardless of him being illegally here or not, he is way smarter than a lot of people here. Oh well, life stinks sometimes...

I said he was here illegally. Pointing fingers and applying blame does not solve the situation.

He is here illegally. He needs to legalize his status here.

Who said anything about empathy? I said deporting the student would be unjust.

Not deporting him would be unjust to those that DO get deported.

Liefde is een bloem zo teer dat hij knakt bij de minste aanraking en zo sterk dat niets zijn groei in de weg staat

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IK HOU VAN JOU, MARK

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Take a large, almost round, rotating sphere about 8000 miles in diameter, surround it with a murky, viscous atmosphere of gases mixed with water vapor, tilt its axis so it wobbles back and forth with respect to a source of heat and light, freeze it at both ends and roast it in the middle, cover most of its surface with liquid that constantly feeds vapor into the atmosphere as the sphere tosses billions of gallons up and down to the rhythmic pulling of a captive satellite and the sun. Then try to predict the conditions of that atmosphere over a small area within a 5 mile radius for a period of one to five days in advance!

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It would serve the purpose of following the law.

Calling the USA ( or any other country) 'home' does not make you a citizen, no matter how much you want it to.

This just does not apply to the USA , my own experience of growing up in the UK to an American father and British mother and being born in the USA required all kinds of documentation in order to stay there....

It's the law. I don't see how much of a loss it would be to this country for him to finally get his presence here legalized by the correct documentation.

Until then, no matter how you phrase it or cut it---he is here illagally.

So give him a legal pathway to remain here instead of approaching his legal status with the most absolute of punishments for being here undocumented.

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So give him a legal pathway to remain here instead of approaching his legal status with the most absolute of punishments for being here undocumented.

There is a legal pathway. A student visa....If he qualifies for one, he will get it and come on back and we can all sing Kumbahya.

Liefde is een bloem zo teer dat hij knakt bij de minste aanraking en zo sterk dat niets zijn groei in de weg staat

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Take a large, almost round, rotating sphere about 8000 miles in diameter, surround it with a murky, viscous atmosphere of gases mixed with water vapor, tilt its axis so it wobbles back and forth with respect to a source of heat and light, freeze it at both ends and roast it in the middle, cover most of its surface with liquid that constantly feeds vapor into the atmosphere as the sphere tosses billions of gallons up and down to the rhythmic pulling of a captive satellite and the sun. Then try to predict the conditions of that atmosphere over a small area within a 5 mile radius for a period of one to five days in advance!

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I said he was here illegally. Pointing fingers and applying blame does not solve the situation.

He is here illegally. He needs to legalize his status here.

Not deporting him would be unjust to those that DO get deported.

Agreed on all counts. Unfortunately the guy is in a bad spot, because his parents took him along for the ride, thus excluding him from being able to exercise his rights as an intending immigrant under Federal Law.

The criminal bit was aimed to those who literally said he was a criminal, not you tmma, sorry for not clarifying.

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Not deporting him would be unjust to those that DO get deported.

Deportation is not the only resolution for many cases involving immigrants who are here without proper documentation. Go read in the upper forums and you'll find many cases where someone was on an over-stayed visa, have since met someone and wish to remain here.

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I agree this guy is in a pickle created by his parents.....But a pickle to be sorted out none-the-less. His status here is not legal and is uncertain. It has been since the beginning and maybe now he will rectify that by applying for and aquiring the correct documentation.

-Parents do strange stuff that we end up sorting out. You would not believe the hassle I had in the UK ( and upon re entry into America) even though my mother was a UK subject and my father was a US citizen ( as am I). I had hassle from my college in the UK too. This is not a USA specific issue.

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Liefde is een bloem zo teer dat hij knakt bij de minste aanraking en zo sterk dat niets zijn groei in de weg staat

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IK HOU VAN JOU, MARK

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Take a large, almost round, rotating sphere about 8000 miles in diameter, surround it with a murky, viscous atmosphere of gases mixed with water vapor, tilt its axis so it wobbles back and forth with respect to a source of heat and light, freeze it at both ends and roast it in the middle, cover most of its surface with liquid that constantly feeds vapor into the atmosphere as the sphere tosses billions of gallons up and down to the rhythmic pulling of a captive satellite and the sun. Then try to predict the conditions of that atmosphere over a small area within a 5 mile radius for a period of one to five days in advance!

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Using deportation as the penalty in all cases where someone is here without documentation is not justice. Believing that is justice is archaic. In this case, it's saying to this Harvard student who is by all other definitions, a citizen of the U.S., we're going to take your life away from you because you don't have a paper that says you can be here. That's not what the United States was built on.

When will you understand. By NO definition is this kid a citizen of the USA.

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