Naturalization wobbles

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Jesus Christ, Bob. Get over yourself.

[English Muffin 59]

Bob, do you spend a lot of time worrying about things that might never happen?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I have told you not to trifle with me !

Oh hey I haven't even got started. Once you have been rubbed down with a battered yorkshire

haddock with vinegar on (unmalted by the way), you will NEVER go back to mother's apple pie crushed into double cream and ooooooooooooooooozed out of a miniature BP blow out valve in authentic colours....

Alan is the Larry Flynt of British food porn. That was exhilerating and very, very naughty.

[Captain Oates 910]

I have been eligible for citizenship for awhile now..

if and when I become a US citizen it will be only because then I wouldn't have to worry about renewing my greencard and it is so much easier to get a US passport then it is to get a Canadian passport

I know - anyone who has been marmalized by the USCIS and has then got the chance of divorcing them, has to be drooling with anticipation. It's a great prize and praps it is worth bombing my family for. See it as a test of your mental orientation.

The gov was worried about all the Wisconsin Germans getting involved in WW2, but when it came to it, they cheerfully went to Germany and killed like good 'uns when told to.

It's simply what humans do. I am looking at WW1 now and this disgraceful allegation in the UK papers this week that Woodrow Wilson almost entered on the side of Germany

I will report back if it's so

[ValerieA 350]

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Where in there does it say I have to renounce my Canadian (born) citizenship?

And why can't I turn italics off?

[Marilyn. 340]

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Where in there does it say I have to renounce my Canadian (born) citizenship?

And why can't I turn italics off?

isn't it the first sentence..?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

So what happens to born US citizens who obtained another citizenship in this imaginary, futuristic, nonsensical scenario? Or people who were born with 2 citizenships?

I never made an oath of allegiance to this country, I just happened to be born here.

[Ladylethal 12]

First, I personally wouldn't consider the culture when deciding on Naturalization. This might sound "un-american" (I'm the American in the marriage) but you don't have to agree with anyone or even agree with the direction of the Nation to get citizenship. Just look at it like this. What can citizenship do for you?

It guarantees that you can enter and leave the US whenever and for whatever time you want. The flip side is that you will always be liable for US taxes even if you move to another country. I really wouldn't look at it any other way.

That. My decision to apply for citizenship sometime this year is purely practical. My husband is now in the Air Force so if we get sent overseas having my citizenship will make things that much easier, if I decided to live in Brasil again for a few years and come back, that would also be possible. There are several jobs that I could probably do in the military that would require me to be a citizen, etc. It's the practicality of it that made me decide on going forward with naturalization.

[Captain Oates 910]

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Where in there does it say I have to renounce my Canadian (born) citizenship?

And why can't I turn italics off?

It doesn't say it.

It says that if required to nuke Yonge Street, Toronto then you will gladly comply

and rejoice when you see the flash on CNN - I paraphrase

Course you could cross your fingers which will preserve your immortal soul intact

The italics show you are being hacked by......

Edited June 14, 2010 by saywhat

[ValerieA 350]

To me, that doesn't mean I have to give my citizenship back, it just means my loyalty must be with the US, not Canada. In this case, Cdn citizenship would simply be a document that covers me while I am in Canada. Granted, that makes me fully susceptible to Canadian laws while there. Meh. Maybe I am just splitting hairs. I figure if the USCIS site says that there is no law against having dual citizenship, even if something was signed into law to be enforced, there would be a grandfather clause.

The italics show you are being hacked by......

Stop hacking me.

[Marilyn. 340]

i was just reading this...

The U.S. government allows dual citizenship. United States law recognizes U.S. Dual Citizenship, but the U.S. government does not encourage it is as a matter of policy due to the problems that may arise from it. It is important to understand that a foreign citizen does NOT lose his or her citizenship when becoming a U.S. citizen. An individual that becomes a U.S. citizen through naturalization may keep his or her original citizenship. However, as some countries do not recognize dual citizenship, it is important to consider it carefully before applying for U.S. citizenship.

https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/dual-citizenship.html

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

for practical purposes, in real life situations and not science fiction, it means that if you become a US citizen the US will not look kindly on you joining the armed forces of your home country or engaging in treason. I imagine the times square bomber will be stripped of his acquired US citizenship

[Captain Oates 910]

To me, that doesn't mean I have to give my citizenship back, it just means my loyalty must be with the US, not Canada. In this case, Cdn citizenship would simply be a document that covers me while I am in Canada. Granted, that makes me fully susceptible to Canadian laws while there. Meh. Maybe I am just splitting hairs. I figure if the USCIS site says that there is no law against having dual citizenship, even if something was signed into law to be enforced, there would be a grandfather clause.

Stop hacking me.

Yes there is a grandfather clause which says you should be willing to kill him on behalf of the US providing

A He is still alive

B some zealot tells you to

If Canadian in law is like UK law, verbal oaths such as the US one don't count and you keep your Canadian citizenship. Presumably the only oath you made when you became a Canadian Citizen was 'F me that light is bright'

Edited June 14, 2010 by saywhat

[Captain Oates 910]

for practical purposes, in real life situations and not science fiction, it means that if you become a US citizen the US will not look kindly on you joining the armed forces of your home country or engaging in treason. I imagine the times square bomber will be stripped of his acquired US citizenship

If 'their' god told you to, it would be a crime - if 'our' god told you to, it would be insanity and so a defense

I don't know if insanity is a reason to be stripped of your US Nationality ...after all glen beck is still a citizen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense

[Fandango 1,439]

Gotta say, Bob usually grates on every nerve of mine, but in this instance, I don't see where he's saying anything out of line. Dual nationality as a technicality (oh we don't have to deal with USCIS anymore) is a great concept...truly, it is. But I do think there's a conflict of interest in being a citizen of two countries. It's an interesting topic...where does the allegiance fall? How can one really claim loyalty and the like to two different countries at the same time?

I do think Bob's going overboard with the whole 'oh it could happen tomorrow' tangent....but I do think he raises some very legitimate concerns. It is a big step to any LPR considering the option of dual. I think if I were in the UK, no matter how long I was there, I could never adopt a dual citizenship because my allegiance will always be with the US, first and always.

Edited June 15, 2010 by Happy Bunny