Naturalization wobbles

[Captain Oates 911]

I think you will find an ample amount of people who would disagree with that. But my point is, if your desire to become a USC is thwarted by the ignorant, then maybe you need to do some sol searching and decided if this is something you really really want in the first place. I'm sure it's a big decision.

Yes but the decision should be based on facts. I don't want to be North Korean coz they have a personality cult thing that is much worse than the founding fathers blah blah and is accepted by the majority from what I can see. Same as Germany in '33.

My suspicion so far is that it's regional in the US and I would be more likely to mix with people in favor of lynchings in south carolina or mississippi than I would in seattle.

If that's the case then all I have to do is make sure I am in the right part of the US and not worry about the other States - and then see myself as a Washingtonian or a Massivechewsetsian or something - and then the US passport is just a gateway to that. Perhaps that's the answer.

Edited June 11, 2010 by saywhat

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

First, I personally wouldn't consider the culture when deciding on Naturalization. This might sound "un-american" (I'm the American in the marriage) but you don't have to agree with anyone or even agree with the direction of the Nation to get citizenship. Just look at it like this. What can citizenship do for you?

It guarantees that you can enter and leave the US whenever and for whatever time you want. The flip side is that you will always be liable for US taxes even if you move to another country. I really wouldn't look at it any other way.

Regarding your questions. Yeah I think the rock throwing incident is probably a vocal minority. On the subject of Japan, alot of Americans also think on the other side of the coin. IE. The US potentially could have blockaded Japan until surrender without an invasion or bombing.

I personally lean ever so slightly towards support for the bombings for three primary reasons.

1. I think a blockade would have been more likely to starve civilians then military resources, killing potentially more than the bombs.

2. I think that the second nuclear research party in Korea may have successfully tested a nuclear weapon and that if the war had dragged on another 6 months Japan may have realized its goal of sending a sub to San Francisco with a bomb.

3. The soviets would have had time to gear up and we may have been faced with a Communist North Japan and a South Japan (similar to a divided Germany). In fact Japan and the Soviet Union never signed a peace treaty and to this day still argue over the Kuril Islands.

[ValerieA 350]

Alan, my personal belief (and a big reason I will be applying for naturalization as soon as I possibly can) is that you can change very little until you are a citizen and can VOTE.

I agree with the others on here in that it is a tiny minority that are so repulsively vocal.

[Captain Oates 911]

Yes I was just thinking passport for practical purposes originally

Then I got into the constitution thing for the test and I liked it

Then I started to come over all Utopian and idealistic

Then I got brought down to earth by all the brutishness of people online

Perhaps I should re-wind and just do it for practical purposes and take it from there.

People are going to do their things and say their stuff whether I am here on not so it's not like I am voting for their attitudes or furthering their aims by naturalizing.

As far as Hiroshima is concerned, I can't speak against it as the Brits fried far more people in Hamburg and Dresden with less reason. It's just the attitude diff - in England they say it was terrible but necessary but some of these online jockeys laugh at the pictures and say 'teaches them not to mess with the eagle' and 'look out anyone else who wants to mess with us' - with no sympathy at all for all the kids who were fried - nothing - just callous

Looking at it another way - if I go back to the UK then these people will be here with one less opponent. If I stay, I can vote etc with like minded Americans and that will be my best way to lessen their influence.

Talked myself into it.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

One of us! One of us!

So pleased you chose to join us on the dark side. I'm sure Owl will have us breaking out patiotic lingerie in celebration.

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still rofling @ "boulders"

[Captain Oates 911]

One of us! One of us!

So pleased you chose to join us on the dark side. I'm sure Owl will have us breaking out patiotic lingerie in celebration.

I don't know whether to add you one on or not

I think we are at 2

Whatchit - I am recovered and looking for owls, barbecued on an elm wood fire

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To the OP: There are crazy Americans and there are normal Americans. But more than either of those categories is the largest group of American... the apathetic Americans. Fit into any one group and you'll belong. No single American fits in to the whole but we all fit in to our little pieces of America. I'm full aware there are people in this country who'd not consider me welcome in their company and that's ok. If they showed up at my workplace I'd probably have to call security anyway. We're too big to be one happy family. All you have to do is find your little corner of heaven.

And no, it probably isn't gonna be in Connecticut. Connecticut sucks.

[Captain Oates 911]

To the OP: There are crazy Americans and there are normal Americans. But more than either of those categories is the largest group of American... the apathetic Americans. Fit into any one group and you'll belong. No single American fits in to the whole but we all fit in to our little pieces of America. I'm full aware there are people in this country who'd not consider me welcome in their company and that's ok. If they showed up at my workplace I'd probably have to call security anyway. We're too big to be one happy family. All you have to do is find your little corner of heaven.

And no, it probably isn't gonna be in Connecticut. Connecticut sucks.

That sounds good

It's too big to be this or that or t'other so no point trying to characterise it.

Find them that you can stand and stick with that

Yes that sounds a brill plan

All in favor say branston pickle

carried ! ta muchly

Been to Baarston Mass and NYC but never connectyourcuts but it looks so busy that I would be better off in Darwen Lancs, the pits of the world bar none but where they have imported Timothy Taylors championship ales from Yorkshire.

This place here is ok with no income tax and 300 days sun and mild winters - but safety harbor, florida was ace too and so many ferriners that there is no united front of brown shirts. Actually 90% of the permanent people in my condo area were from all over the US and nobody from Florida - and they were all winos and Gin poppers too - excellent people.

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I'd respond but I have trouble understanding British.

[Captain Oates 911]

I'd respond but I have trouble understanding British.

No such language - it's English and those pesky provincials clinging to the fringes of the island only borrow it. A bit like.. er hum

Her indoors keeps saying 'British Accent' and I go what Glasgow ? Belfast ? Swansea ?

I have some genes from these sub cultures but don't tell anyone as I am trying to have em extracted in midnight sessions at the local hospital. Actually my vowels are far more accepted in Belfast than London and I can rap their lilt too - so I can. Those same vowels will have me disembowelled in some parts of Glasgow/Swansea.

You will never go back to cocaine once you have tried branston pickle or HP Sauce. Do it before you die.

ps it's England that is going to win tomorrow - not UK

whay aye the lads and gang doon the toon anawayanshite !!!!

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[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Mate,

you cannot get the 'right' answers if you're asking the wrong question.

Becoming a US citizen does not require you to agree with the majority of Americans when it comes to immigration policy, and it worrying about the Japanese who won the war after all(*), is misguided also.

My position is, if you have even the slightest doubt that you are ready to become an American, you're not ready. How can you detect the slightest doubt? Easy, yet effictive exercise:

The Oath of Allegiance requires you to kiss goodbye any and all allegiance to Merry Old England. Forget the Japanese; imagine that we're entering a war against Great Britain over the horrible, man-made oil catastrophe BP caused, after thousands of Americans got poisened, the wildlife got extinct, and the economy destroyed for a century to come. The big man (or Sarah Palin) got all the votes in 2012 and once again there's a draft and they ask you to bomb the living sh*t of your British hometown.

If you don't think you're willing to do that, you're not ready to become an American.

(*)They won the war because your Camera is a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, because your car is a Honda or Toyota, and because your TV is a Panasonic. America is done. All we have left to export is weapons and violence . . . and production, of course.

Edited June 11, 2010 by Just Bob

[Empress of Groovy 373]

You'd still keep your UK citizenship, right?

[Gemmie 142]

The Oath of Allegiance requires you to kiss goodbye any and all allegiance to Merry Old England. Forget the Japanese; imagine that we're entering a war against Great Britain over the horrible, man-made oil catastrophe BP caused, after thousands of Americans got poisened, the wildlife got extinct, and the economy destroyed for a century to come. The big man (or Sarah Palin) got all the votes in 2012 and once again there's a draft and they ask you to bomb the living sh*t of your British hometown.

If you don't think you're willing to do that, you're not ready to become an American.

Hmm, but we're allowed to keep our British citizenship. So I think of it more as gaining another passport, not losing my old one.

Also, about the above post, I don't think anyone, USC or otherwise, would be happy and willing to bomb the sh*t out of their hometown but it doesn't mean they're denying their American-ness. Or if they had family living in another country and they weren't comfortable blowing the town to smithereens, they're not denying their American-ness there either. In fact, I don't think I could ever bring myself to bomb a nation, no matter where it was. I know there's a chance that I could be drafted to do such things, but that alone doesn't sway me to not apply for the citizenship. If Americans had the option of not being American anymore if it meant that they couldn't be drafted in war, would they? I doubt it.

Just because you're choosing to apply for US citizenship doesn't mean you take on the values of the government.

Edited June 11, 2010 by Gemmie