Naturalization wobbles

[Krikit 1,164]

It's in OT somewhere.

Edit to add: it's here -- http://www.visajourn...ost__p__3972959

DARN that dark picture! Very sultry, though. lol

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

DARN that dark picture! Very sultry, though. lol

Well, it's another one Alan can add to his files. He'll have to cut out Al, though.

[Captain Oates 911]

Well, it's another one Alan can add to his files. He'll have to cut out Al, though.

Too many Al's in this town

I can photoshop

I like photoshopping.

I would like to comment -- not in the forum ! but...

heck - just add 6 foot to that car..

Heaven forbid that GIN could ravage that beauty one day....

[Captain Oates 911]

When Gerry Adams was head of the IRA, I sat next to him at breakfast in Dublin.

Seemed a quiet chap really

My other claim to fame was to head Prince Charles' motorcade

I came out of the electricity board's parking lot in a Morris 1000 and the town was quiet and sealed off

Looked in my mirror and the royal car was 15 yards behind me with the flags etc

His ears were huge !

We turned the corner and the road was lined with cheering schoolkids on both sides

I waved back

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

When Gerry Adams was head of the IRA, I sat next to him at breakfast in Dublin.

Seemed a quiet chap really

My other claim to fame was to head Prince Charles' motorcade

I came out of the electricity board's parking lot in a Morris 1000 and the town was quiet and sealed off

Looked in my mirror and the royal car was 15 yards behind me with the flags etc

His ears were huge !

We turned the corner and the road was lined with cheering schoolkids on both sides

I waved back

nice.

You do know I used to own a Morris myself, a 1968 Minor? When I'm back in Cali I'll find a pic and post.

[Captain Oates 911]

nice.

You do know I used to own a Morris myself, a 1968 Minor? When I'm back in Cali I'll find a pic and post.

Nah - I was relatively rich so I had a 1969 Morris Minor 1098cc 'A' series engine. The front suspension fell off as they did. I was fitting a new torsion rod (they had torsion rods not springs ) and it threw the bottle jack past my head and it landed 100 yards away.

I knacked my back lifting an engine into a moggy thousand on my own. Can't do that with American cars.

[Fandango 1,439]

Yes. the formal procedure that the US has for renouncing Nationality, allows for a proper release from the oath. Once released, we can do what we want.

Of course GC holders should pay tax and uphold laws. I pay tax on my worldwide income from all sauces (I own HP Sauce shares).

Now exactly why do you disagree ? Shouldn't you really say why ? It's ok to say you don't like dark chocolate without giving a reason, but for everything else you have to have reason or otherwise we end up going into Iraq again.

Well, it's kinda like 'in good times and in bad' afaic...I think becoming a citizen IF you are prepared (on the ridiculously improbable notion that the US and UK would EVER go to war against each other) to quickly renounce US citizenship and fight against the US, then what does that say about your commitment to your US citizenship?

It's kinda like fidelity...you can't be 'faithful' to two different people. Ya gotta pick one.

Please understand, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here....I don't have a problem with others' dual nat, in fact, had I still been in the US UK relationship, I'd be all for him getting dual. I'm just saying as a concept *I personally* see the point Bob is trying to make.

Robin - I would expect, or at least hope, that the child would feel a *little more* allegiance to the country that reared him/her. Of course, nothing is absolute!

Edited June 16, 2010 by Happy Bunny

[Fandango 1,439]

I think any Brit who takes US nationality and expresses a willingness to bomb the UK, should have their UK passports cancelled immediately

If I were an American, I wouldn't want that kind of new citizen

If they will switch once, they will switch twice

I would rather have a new citizen who has fond thoughts of his country of birth and would be very reluctant to go and kill his friends/relatives/schoolfriends because that is normal

Anyone who would do that gladly is a psychopath and a turncoat anyway and not to be trusted

That's being real and that's getting away from all this pie in the sky theory

I agree with that as well btw. That's why it's complicated.

[Rob and Jill 82]

Saywhat,

Let me give you an example of a general sampling of the American Public. My neighborhood. The house is my left is occupied by “Christians” who feel the best way to prove their religious “rightness” is to wad up papers handed to them from Jehovah’s Witnesses, throw them back in their face, and to tell them to come back when they understand the real religion. They also find bragging about these actions to their neighbors appropriate. I no longer speak to them. The person across the street has been a functioning alcoholic for 18 years or longer. The neighbor across the street thinks it’s ok to let his dogs get out of the yard so they can come tear up my trash and take a ####### in my yard. He’s a state Senator by the way… My other neighbor is a widowed nearly deaf man, but he waves hi.

My neighbors SUCK as a whole.

The bad thing about taking internet and news/media opinions to heart is that the internet is like a room with no windows that allows people to type out their deepest, darkest desires with little to no chance of repercussion for their actions. They can come online and troll or stir pots…who’s going to stop them?

I would certainly not consider the opinions of people on the internet as “the majority”.

[Captain Oates 911]

Well, it's kinda like 'in good times and in bad' afaic...I think becoming a citizen IF you are prepared (on the ridiculously improbable notion that the US and UK would EVER go to war against each other) to quickly renounce US citizenship and fight against the US, then what does that say about your commitment to your US citizenship?

It's kinda like fidelity...you can't be 'faithful' to two different people. Ya gotta pick one.

Please understand, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here....I don't have a problem with others' dual nat, in fact, had I still been in the US UK relationship, I'd be all for him getting dual. I'm just saying as a concept *I personally* see the point Bob is trying to make.

Robin - I would expect, or at least hope, that the child would feel a *little more* allegiance to the country that reared him/her. Of course, nothing is absolute!

I think that the 'marriage' comparison is pretty valid.

You take a vow and make a commitment. If you are Mrs Tiger Woods and he is going with every hooker in Vegas then you are allowed out of your oath.

If I sign up with the US and they want to use a thermo nuclear weapon on the Yorkshire Dales or kidnap the CEO of BP and execute him, then I see that as the same thing

They have released me from my vows by their actions.

This attachment of some Americans to their flag is scary sometimes as it comes before everything and there is nothing their country can do that would cause them to let go.

Without that drag on them, the politicians will just do wilder and wilder things. It's interesting that Americans are prepared to slag off their government with the most appalling epithets, but somehow the flag and the country is a mystical concept and nothing to do with, and totally separate from, the government

The idea of someone giving up their birth country for citizenship is seen as 'oh well' but the idea of someone giving up US Citizenship is somehow a 'holy' thing and like poking god in the eye.

I will be a good husband while I am married and she plays the game - I will be a USC and a good citizen while the US plays the game. I will dump either or both of them if they go all Tiger Woods on me.

It takes two for a vow or an oath to work and that is a factor that many people never consider when demanding unconditional allegiance to either a spouse or a country

[Fandango 1,439]

I think that the 'marriage' comparison is pretty valid.

You take a vow and make a commitment. If you are Mrs Tiger Woods and he is going with every hooker in Vegas then you are allowed out of your oath.

If I sign up with the US and they want to use a thermo nuclear weapon on the Yorkshire Dales or kidnap the CEO of BP and execute him, then I see that as the same thing

They have released me from my vows by their actions.

Again, as a concept, I would disagree with that. I think to relinquish citizenship during a time of war would actually be considered treasonous.

This attachment of some Americans to their flag is scary sometimes as it comes before everything and there is nothing their country can do that would cause them to let go.

Without that drag on them, the politicians will just do wilder and wilder things. It's interesting that Americans are prepared to slag off their government with the most appalling epithets, but somehow the flag and the country is a mystical concept and nothing to do with, and totally separate from, the government

The idea of someone giving up their birth country for citizenship is seen as 'oh well' but the idea of someone giving up US Citizenship is somehow a 'holy' thing and like poking god in the eye.

I will be a good husband while I am married and she plays the game - I will be a USC and a good citizen while the US plays the game. I will dump either or both of them if they go all Tiger Woods on me.

It takes two for a vow or an oath to work and that is a factor that many people never consider when demanding unconditional allegiance to either a spouse or a country

I don't think Americans' attachment to the flag is scary....in fact, I see it that we're one of the only nations where people can make statements like that about. Other countries, it would be considered 'patriotic' or 'staunchly British' (I've met some of those btw)...but with us, it's an easy target to call people 'radicals' 'crazy' etc. I don't think it's quite fair. Here's a thought. for you..what are your duties to the USA as her 'spouse' so to speak? You said it means following the laws and paying taxes, but then again, all LPRs are required to do that. So what else is in it for Lady Liberty? What's the 'extra' she gets for affording you the comforts of citizenship? Especially when it's admittedly just a conditional situation should there (again: ridiculous) ever be a war between your homeland and your new home? It's an interesting situation, that's for sure.

How can you truly, heartfully mean it when you will take the Pledge of Allegiance? 'I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America'...because even with your 'new spouse' not doing anything wrong, you'll always have the silent disclaimer of *providing you don't mess with my home country, etc. That's not the way it's supposed to work.

However, I want you to understand that whether you do or don't go for citizenship has no bearing on me...I'm discussing this as a concept, not begrudging you your right to do so. I just think JustBob raises some interesting points...perhaps the flaw is with the system itself. As I said before, if I had the oppty, I would never go for dual because I am American, no matter where I live. I don't see, nor have I ever referred to the concept of you ever giving up your UKC as 'oh well no big shakes'. There's an old saying among my friends 'you can take the girl outta New York, but you can't take the New York outta the girl.' For me, it goes deeper than that, because you could never take the USA outta me, no matter where I was...and I suspect it's the same for you and the UK, which is how it should be. ...what I'm saying is there is an inherent conflict of interest in being a citizen of two countries. For me to pledge loyalty to the Queen or any other flag would be a blatant lie...there would be no way that I could or would even fathom giving up my birthright, or pledging loyalty to a flag that is not my own.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Happy Bunny

[Captain Oates 911]

For me to pledge loyalty to the Queen or any other flag would be a blatant lie...there would be no way that I could or would even fathom giving up my birthright, or pledging loyalty to a flag that is not my own.

So what do you think of the citizens of other countries who come to the US and do just that ?

They are doing something you could never do !

Do you see them as disloyal or traitors to their own old countries ?

Do you trust them ? Would you have more respect for them if they stayed GC ?

[Fandango 1,439]

So what do you think of the citizens of other countries who come to the US and do just that ?

They are doing something you could never do !

Do you see them as disloyal or traitors to their own old countries ?

Do you trust them ? Would you have more respect for them if they stayed GC ?

Honestly, I don't have those answers.

[Captain Oates 911]

I don't think Americans' attachment to the flag is scary....in fact, I see it that we're one of the only nations where people can make statements like that about.

One of the only Nations ?

Apart from the screwed up English produced by the American educational system, it's patent nonsense.

Remember the free world ? There are huge numbers of countries that have free speech.

Every country in Europe before we even start the list

You didn't invent free speech and even your constitution is lifted straight from the English bill of rights and the laws are English in their essence

You are not so unique and not special and it's that superior arrogance that gets up the noses of people of free countries with free speech and democracy (and health care) all around the world.

Luckily the future of the US is as a minority white country with more and more dilution of this right wing fantasy stuff

I will fit better into that USA than the USA which is your holy concept

[Fandango 1,439]

One of the only Nations ?

Apart from the screwed up English produced by the American educational system, it's patent nonsense.

Remember the free world ? There are huge numbers of countries that have free speech.

Every country in Europe before we even start the list

You didn't invent free speech and even your constitution is lifted straight from the English bill of rights and the laws are English in their essence

You are not so unique and not special and it's that superior arrogance that gets up the noses of people of free countries with free speech and democracy (and health care) all around the world.

Luckily the future of the US is as a minority white country with more and more dilution of this right wing fantasy stuff

I will fit better into that USA than the USA which is your holy concept

No, you misunderstood me. Meaning we're one of the only ones who get easily picked on for being patriotic. I wasn't trying to be insulting, please try to do the same though.