Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban

[Veiled Princess 1]

Not exactly... we believe he was created by God in the virgin Mary... he was a servant of and prophet of God.... The Quran teaches that he was not killed like has been reported but that it was made to appear that way... according to the Quran God raised him to himself (in heaven) where he resides and will return to earth to kill the anti-christ and rule until judgement day. We don't believe God has any children.

Hmm.... Interesting. I always thought that Islam refered to Jesus as a prophet but thought of him as an ordinary human being. When Christians refer to Christ as the Son of God we are referring to the Trinity. Father, Son And The Holy Ghost. Separate but the same. We don't think God had sex and fathered a child.

So you believe that Jesus was a Divine entity created by God?

We believe he is a creation of God because, first of all, God says He is the only One and He tells us in the Quran that Jesus was created and a messenger.

I was raised christian, I understand the concept of the trinity I just don't believe in it.

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Excerpt from Islam Q & A

II. Islam prescribes that idols should be destroyed and smashed, not made and repaired. Among the evidence for this is the following:

1. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered Makkah [at the Conquest], there were three hundred and sixty idols around the Ka’bah. He started hitting them with his stick and saying, “Truth has come and Baatil (falsehood) has vanished. Surely, Baatil is ever bound to vanish” [al-Israa’ 17:81 – interpretation of the meaning]. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2346; Muslim, 1781).

2. Abu’l-Hiyaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: Shall I not send you on the same basis as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any statue without destroying it, and do not leave any built-up grave without razing it to the ground. (According to one report: and do not leave any picture without erasing it). (narrated by Muslim, 969).

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Tamaatheel is the plural of Timthaal (statue), which refers to a representative image.

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said:

The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves – because Shirk may come about from both types. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 17/462).

(al-Fawaa’id, p. 196).

[...]

From the above it is clear that it is forbidden to make statues, whether the statue is of a Muslim or a kaafir. Whoever does that is trying to match the creation of Allaah and thus deserves to be cursed. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound, and to guide us. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Then let the buddhists rebuild it themselves on Afghani land. It is not haraam for buddhists to do it.

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Excerpt from Islam Q & A

II. Islam prescribes that idols should be destroyed and smashed, not made and repaired. Among the evidence for this is the following:

1. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered Makkah [at the Conquest], there were three hundred and sixty idols around the Ka’bah. He started hitting them with his stick and saying, “Truth has come and Baatil (falsehood) has vanished. Surely, Baatil is ever bound to vanish” [al-Israa’ 17:81 – interpretation of the meaning]. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2346; Muslim, 1781).

2. Abu’l-Hiyaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: Shall I not send you on the same basis as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any statue without destroying it, and do not leave any built-up grave without razing it to the ground. (According to one report: and do not leave any picture without erasing it). (narrated by Muslim, 969).

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Tamaatheel is the plural of Timthaal (statue), which refers to a representative image.

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said:

The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves – because Shirk may come about from both types. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 17/462).

(al-Fawaa’id, p. 196).

[...]

From the above it is clear that it is forbidden to make statues, whether the statue is of a Muslim or a kaafir. Whoever does that is trying to match the creation of Allaah and thus deserves to be cursed. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound, and to guide us. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Then let the buddhists rebuild it themselves on Afghani land. It is not haraam for buddhists to do it.

Airfare from Bangkok is a lot.

[iceyspots 0]

Excerpt from Islam Q & A

II. Islam prescribes that idols should be destroyed and smashed, not made and repaired. Among the evidence for this is the following:

1. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered Makkah [at the Conquest], there were three hundred and sixty idols around the Ka’bah. He started hitting them with his stick and saying, “Truth has come and Baatil (falsehood) has vanished. Surely, Baatil is ever bound to vanish” [al-Israa’ 17:81 – interpretation of the meaning]. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2346; Muslim, 1781).

2. Abu’l-Hiyaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: Shall I not send you on the same basis as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any statue without destroying it, and do not leave any built-up grave without razing it to the ground. (According to one report: and do not leave any picture without erasing it). (narrated by Muslim, 969).

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Tamaatheel is the plural of Timthaal (statue), which refers to a representative image.

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said:

The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves – because Shirk may come about from both types. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 17/462).

(al-Fawaa’id, p. 196).

[...]

From the above it is clear that it is forbidden to make statues, whether the statue is of a Muslim or a kaafir. Whoever does that is trying to match the creation of Allaah and thus deserves to be cursed. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound, and to guide us. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Then let the buddhists rebuild it themselves on Afghani land. It is not haraam for buddhists to do it.

Airfare from Bangkok is a lot.

[Veiled Princess 1]

That would explain the ferver, then.

I suppose converts of any religion might be a little more zealous than those born and raised in that religion if that's what you meant.

My "ferver" for not wanting to change the religion is because that is what led me away from christianity to paganism in the first place and I don't want to see that happen to this perfect way of life.

I'm not sure which bible you read as I've been told they vary greatly but in the version I have it is mentioned that women covered or wore veils.....

(Gen 24:65) For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.

(Rth 3:15) Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

(1Co 11:5 & 6) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

(Isa 3:23) The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

Also, from christian made images of his mother she didn't appear to have a problem with it.

alleged death? does this mean he's still alive.. kind of like the hidden imam?

According to the teachings of Islam he is alive in heaven and will return towards the end of time.

Gen 24:65.. she raised her veil.. signifying that she was unmarried

Ruth 3:15 Veil or Shawl.. cultural.. te cerse you quote shows that Boaz went above and beyond the required laws to provide for her.

1Cor 11:5-6 in those times.. a woman to remove her head covering in public was a sign of loose morals.. cultural identity againIsaiah 3:23 and again the word is shawl in v 23.. but in verse 19 it mentions veils .. removing them frmo single women and calling into question their moral character.. being slatternous in nature.

cultural thing.. not religious

and Christ rose frmo the dead.. defeating death and being alive once again.

But yet the religious leader (Paul) commanded it and said to shave her if she wasn't covered... that makes it religious in my opinion.

I was pointing out that women in that time did wear it.

Then let the buddhists rebuild it themselves on Afghani land. It is not haraam for buddhists to do it.

So the muslim ruler would have to order it be destroyed again?

Edited August 9, 2006 by Veiled Princess

[GaryC 7]

Not exactly... we believe he was created by God in the virgin Mary... he was a servant of and prophet of God.... The Quran teaches that he was not killed like has been reported but that it was made to appear that way... according to the Quran God raised him to himself (in heaven) where he resides and will return to earth to kill the anti-christ and rule until judgement day. We don't believe God has any children.

Hmm.... Interesting. I always thought that Islam refered to Jesus as a prophet but thought of him as an ordinary human being. When Christians refer to Christ as the Son of God we are referring to the Trinity. Father, Son And The Holy Ghost. Separate but the same. We don't think God had sex and fathered a child.

So you believe that Jesus was a Divine entity created by God?

We believe he is a creation of God because, first of all, God says He is the only One and He tells us in the Quran that Jesus was created and a messenger.

I was raised christian, I understand the concept of the trinity I just don't believe in it.

I realize this is probably where Islam and Christianity diverge but in the Bible God himself spoke when Jesus was baptized: Matthew 3:16 After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him."

[iceyspots 0]

That would explain the ferver, then.

I suppose converts of any religion might be a little more zealous than those born and raised in that religion if that's what you meant.

My "ferver" for not wanting to change the religion is because that is what led me away from christianity to paganism in the first place and I don't want to see that happen to this perfect way of life.

I'm not sure which bible you read as I've been told they vary greatly but in the version I have it is mentioned that women covered or wore veils.....

(Gen 24:65) For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.

(Rth 3:15) Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

(1Co 11:5 & 6) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

(Isa 3:23) The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

Also, from christian made images of his mother she didn't appear to have a problem with it.

alleged death? does this mean he's still alive.. kind of like the hidden imam?

According to the teachings of Islam he is alive in heaven and will return towards the end of time.

Gen 24:65.. she raised her veil.. signifying that she was unmarried

Ruth 3:15 Veil or Shawl.. cultural.. te cerse you quote shows that Boaz went above and beyond the required laws to provide for her.

1Cor 11:5-6 in those times.. a woman to remove her head covering in public was a sign of loose morals.. cultural identity againIsaiah 3:23 and again the word is shawl in v 23.. but in verse 19 it mentions veils .. removing them frmo single women and calling into question their moral character.. being slatternous in nature.

cultural thing.. not religious

and Christ rose frmo the dead.. defeating death and being alive once again.

But yet the religious leader (Paul) commanded it and said to shave her if she wasn't covered... that makes it religious in my opinion.

I was pointing out that women in that time did wear it.

Then let the buddhists rebuild it themselves on Afghani land. It is not haraam for buddhists to do it.

So the muslim ruler would have to order it be destroyed again?

Is the muslim ruler the taliban?? Because they are the ones who destroyed it.

[Veiled Princess 1]

I realize this is probably where Islam and Christianity diverge but in the Bible God himself spoke when Jesus was baptized: Matthew 3:16 After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him."

That would make them separate beings and not one then right?

[Mirorgate 0]

But yet the religious leader (Paul) commanded it and said to shave her if she wasn't covered... that makes i religious in my opinion.

I was pointing out that women in that time did wear it.

so what? the wearing of a veil is cultural... just becuase they belive one thing or the other does not negate their cultural identity. everyone here agrees that they wore a shawl or veil then. who really care about that point but you? btw.. isnt Saul (Paul) heresy to your way of life anyway? He preached the Christ... not the Mohammud.

[GaryC 7]

I realize this is probably where Islam and Christianity diverge but in the Bible God himself spoke when Jesus was baptized: Matthew 3:16 After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him."

That would make them separate beings and not one then right?

I do not profess to be an expert on this. The way I understand it God and his Son are one in the same. They are seperate but inseperatable. Please forgive my ignorence on this. I really don't understand the concept either.

It's probably a little like what you said before. That God created Jesus in Mary and at that point made a Son. But they are of the same spirit. That makes them seperate but the same.

Edited August 9, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[Bosco 1]

The shaykh who runs this site is Salafi, like VP. This is not mainstream Islam and is not the type of Islam practiced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims.

Excerpt from Islam Q & A

II. Islam prescribes that idols should be destroyed and smashed, not made and repaired. Among the evidence for this is the following:

1. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered Makkah [at the Conquest], there were three hundred and sixty idols around the Ka’bah. He started hitting them with his stick and saying, “Truth has come and Baatil (falsehood) has vanished. Surely, Baatil is ever bound to vanish” [al-Israa’ 17:81 – interpretation of the meaning]. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2346; Muslim, 1781).

2. Abu’l-Hiyaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: Shall I not send you on the same basis as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any statue without destroying it, and do not leave any built-up grave without razing it to the ground. (According to one report: and do not leave any picture without erasing it). (narrated by Muslim, 969).

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Tamaatheel is the plural of Timthaal (statue), which refers to a representative image.

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said:

The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves – because Shirk may come about from both types. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 17/462).

(al-Fawaa’id, p. 196).

[...]

From the above it is clear that it is forbidden to make statues, whether the statue is of a Muslim or a kaafir. Whoever does that is trying to match the creation of Allaah and thus deserves to be cursed. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound, and to guide us. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

[iceyspots 0]

The shaykh who runs this site is Salafi, like VP. This is not mainstream Islam and is not the type of Islam practiced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims.

Excerpt from Islam Q & A

II. Islam prescribes that idols should be destroyed and smashed, not made and repaired. Among the evidence for this is the following:

1. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered Makkah [at the Conquest], there were three hundred and sixty idols around the Ka’bah. He started hitting them with his stick and saying, “Truth has come and Baatil (falsehood) has vanished. Surely, Baatil is ever bound to vanish” [al-Israa’ 17:81 – interpretation of the meaning]. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2346; Muslim, 1781).

2. Abu’l-Hiyaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: Shall I not send you on the same basis as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any statue without destroying it, and do not leave any built-up grave without razing it to the ground. (According to one report: and do not leave any picture without erasing it). (narrated by Muslim, 969).

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Tamaatheel is the plural of Timthaal (statue), which refers to a representative image.

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said:

The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves – because Shirk may come about from both types. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 17/462).

(al-Fawaa’id, p. 196).

[...]

From the above it is clear that it is forbidden to make statues, whether the statue is of a Muslim or a kaafir. Whoever does that is trying to match the creation of Allaah and thus deserves to be cursed. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound, and to guide us. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

[Scott & Lai 12]

wow... I had no idea Jesus wanted women to cover their hair. I never read that in the bible.

I'm not sure which bible you read as I've been told they vary greatly but in the version I have it is mentioned that women covered or wore veils.....

(Gen 24:65) For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.

(Rth 3:15) Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

(1Co 11:5 & 6) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

(Isa 3:23) The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

Also, from christian made images of his mother she didn't appear to have a problem with it.

alleged death? does this mean he's still alive.. kind of like the hidden imam?

According to the teachings of Islam he is alive in heaven and will return towards the end of time.

Forgive my ignorence, Islam says that Jesus will return? Are you saying that you believe that Jesus came down as the Son of God, went back to Heaven and will return at the end of days???

No.. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Allah (swt) is similiar to what is God in Judaism... He is not a physical being that can give birth to offspring... But he is referred to as a "him" by default.

Christians also do not believe the Father is a physical being. Neither is the Holy Spirit. The Word (Son of God) became flesh when He was conceived in the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. As one of the Church Fathers put it, Christ is begotten of the Father without a mother, and born of the Virgin without a father.

[iceyspots 0]

wow... I had no idea Jesus wanted women to cover their hair. I never read that in the bible.

I'm not sure which bible you read as I've been told they vary greatly but in the version I have it is mentioned that women covered or wore veils.....

(Gen 24:65) For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.

(Rth 3:15) Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

(1Co 11:5 & 6) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

(Isa 3:23) The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

Also, from christian made images of his mother she didn't appear to have a problem with it.

alleged death? does this mean he's still alive.. kind of like the hidden imam?

According to the teachings of Islam he is alive in heaven and will return towards the end of time.

Forgive my ignorence, Islam says that Jesus will return? Are you saying that you believe that Jesus came down as the Son of God, went back to Heaven and will return at the end of days???

No.. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Allah (swt) is similiar to what is God in Judaism... He is not a physical being that can give birth to offspring... But he is referred to as a "him" by default.

Christians also do not believe the Father is a physical being. Neither is the Holy Spirit. The Word (Son of God) became flesh when He was conceived in the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. As one of the Church Fathers put it, Christ is begotten of the Father without a mother, and born of the Virgin without a father.

cool thanks... I guess I used wording wrong by saying "offspring".. so biological... lol

[GaryC 7]

Christians also do not believe the Father is a physical being. Neither is the Holy Spirit. The Word (Son of God) became flesh when He was conceived in the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. As one of the Church Fathers put it, Christ is begotten of the Father without a mother, and born of the Virgin without a father.

Thank you, I think that is what I was trying to say.