Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban

[Garfield fan 0]

Talking to a Buddhist friend and my Buddhist wife..... They are not upset that the statues were destroyed. They just see them as statues not idols.

That exactly what I was saying earlier in this thread

[Veiled Princess 1]

But do you think those acts (homosexuality, theft, adultery) should be punishable by corporal punishment or death?

I don't think any of those crimes are punishable by death.

If you are going to dispute that I ask you to please provide proof and not just wage allegations like some folks here do.

The Quran says

An-Noor - (chapter 24: 2-8)

2- The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

3- Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.

4- And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-

5- Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.

6- And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth;

7- And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of Allah on themselves if they tell a lie.

8- But it would avert the punishment from the wife, if she bears witness four times (with an oath) By Allah, that (her husband) is telling a lie;

First point to note is that it does not say to kill either of them... they get the same punishment.

In the next verse it's rather obvious that neither of them are dead because they are then forbidden to marry anyone who has not been guilty of the same crime.

It goes on to confirm that four witnesses are needed before this punishment can be carried out... is it a normal practice to hump the neighbors wife in front of four other men?? In any case there must be four witnesses.

Furthermore, if you make this claim against a chaste woman and do NOT produce four witnesses... guess who's getting flogged!

This condition is waved in the case of a man making the accusation against his wife but there is another condition... he has to swear four times to God that it is true and then pray to invoke God's wrath on him if he's lying...

But what??? His wife only has to say it's not true... then she swears the same as he did and invokes the same curse on herself if she's the one lying.. at that point it's up to God as He's the only one who really knows what happened at that point.

Pay attention to the red part as well....

Regarding theft.....

(al-Maeda 5:38-39)

As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.

But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

So all he/she has to do is say I'm sorry I won't do it again?

[Nizzy 1]

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

[iceyspots 0]

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

Made it through 34 pages, doubt anything will stop now.

[Nizzy 1]

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

Made it through 34 pages, doubt anything will stop now.

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Okay back to the topic at hand...

[iceyspots 0]

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

Made it through 34 pages, doubt anything will stop now.

I'm in a super bad mood today...just saw my post office receipt for a book I mailed out through half.com/ebay and the lady put the wrong zipcode...or maybe I did...but anywho now its gonna come back to me and I will get a bad rating. I emailed the buyer though and I am hoping she is nice.

Okay back to the topic at hand...

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[Ban Hammer 13,352]

So all he/she has to do is say I'm sorry I won't do it again?

you better be saying you'll get your butt back in the kitchen!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Talking to a Buddhist friend and my Buddhist wife..... They are not upset that the statues were destroyed. They just see them as statues not idols.

That exactly what I was saying earlier in this thread

I missed your post. Buddhism really teaches tollerance I guess.

[Nizzy 1]

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

Made it through 34 pages, doubt anything will stop now.

I'm in a super bad mood today...just saw my post office receipt for a book I mailed out through half.com/ebay and the lady put the wrong zipcode...or maybe I did...but anywho now its gonna come back to me and I will get a bad rating. I emailed the buyer though and I am hoping she is nice.

Okay back to the topic at hand...

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hehe I'm shopping for books in the same place

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

Made it through 34 pages, doubt anything will stop now.

I'm in a super bad mood today...just saw my post office receipt for a book I mailed out through half.com/ebay and the lady put the wrong zipcode...or maybe I did...but anywho now its gonna come back to me and I will get a bad rating. I emailed the buyer though and I am hoping she is nice.

Okay back to the topic at hand...

hehe I'm shopping for books in the same place

They certainly are a great company...I woudlnt have gotten through college without them...hey what books do you need? Maybe I have them...hehe...although I MAY end up messing up ur zip...

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I thought you gave up talking to us and weren't gonna post anymore?

Made it through 34 pages, doubt anything will stop now.

I'm in a super bad mood today...just saw my post office receipt for a book I mailed out through half.com/ebay and the lady put the wrong zipcode...or maybe I did...but anywho now its gonna come back to me and I will get a bad rating. I emailed the buyer though and I am hoping she is nice.

Okay back to the topic at hand...

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[Bosco 1]

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[Veiled Princess 1]

VP,

With all respect to you, I think you lack understanding of how Sharia is implemented in Saudi Arabia. Have you ever taken the time to read the reports? Do you realize that non-Saudis are treated far more harshly than Saudis? Have you ever spent time reading the appalling human rights reports that come out of Saudi Arabia? Sharia may be God's law, but it is implemented by man, and man is inherently flawed.

Do you realize Sharia is not codified in Saudi, leaving people unaware of their rights? There was not even a code of criminal procedure until 2002.

How do you justify women not being able to drive from the Qur'an or ahadith?

How do you justify denying women the right to open a bank account the permission of a male when the Qur'an entitles women to their own wealth?

How do you justify women not being allowed to enter fields such as engineering, law and architecture from an Islamic perspective?

Why did it take until April of this year to allow women to work in retail business? Why did women have to buy their lingerie from men prior to this? Is this God's law?

Why are migrant workers not protected from abuse under Saudi Sharia when Islam is about compassion?

Is human trafficking permitted under God's law?

Is blacking out the arms and legs of cartoon characters, like Lois from "Hi and Lois" somehow protecting the religion? Is Lois that tempting?

Take a look at the facts. Look how many non-Saudis are executed compared to non-Saudis. Look at the actual cases, not an idealized Sharia that is not implemented.

Do you know about Nour Miyati?

With all respect to you, I realize that no man is going to implement the sharia perfectly. As a muslim, I would choose a rather flawed attempt at upholding it as opposed to ignoring it altogether though.

I suspect some here are not so much scared of something bad happening as much as they only want to be muslim in name and not actually have to follow any of the laws involved and that is what fuels their hatred of the holy land.

Do you know there is no law on the books forbidding women to drive in Saudi? Theoretically all they have to do is go get one if they want it....

Do you know there is a slightly famous female pilot in Saudi? Only famous because people couldn't believe Saudi (the birthplace of all women's oppression) would allow that Did she have to fight for it? YES. Women have had to fight for our rights here as well. Are things changing regarding women in Saudi? YES.

Do you stop to think maybe Saudi is harsher on non-saudis because perhaps there's been a problem with foreigners coming in and bringing their corrupted ways with them in the past?

Images of any living creature is not allowed... how do you know they didn't just black out her arms and legs to make it so it's not a complete picture? OR do you even know who blacked it out? While I was in Cairo I also saw pics of half naked women and someone had blacked them out as well.... maybe it was just some bored youth?

Have you actually witnessed any of this yourself or are you basing your opinions on those anti-islam websites everyone keeps posting? Have you studied the law in Saudi?

I most certainly do know about Nour Miyati... do you?

New Twist in Nour Miyati Torture Case Baffles All

Maha Akeel, Arab News

JEDDAH, 8 May 2005 — The inquiry report in the case of the Indonesian maid, Nour Miyati, who accused her sponsor and his wife of torture came as a surprise to everyone.

Quoting a statement by the Riyadh governorate, the Saudi Press Agency reported on Friday that during questioning by investigators Miyati herself retracted earlier charges that she was tied up and tortured by her employer. Miyati has now been charged with making false allegations against her employer.

“We were not involved with the investigation and did not attend the questioning of Nour Miyati. We only found out the result from the newspapers, so we don’t know yet why she changed her statement,” M. Sukiarto, labor attaché at the Indonesian Embassy in Riyadh, told Arab News.

In March, Miyati in critical condition was taken to a Riyadh hospital by her sponsor; she had severe injuries causing gangrene to her fingers, toes and part of her right foot. Some of her fingers have been amputated.

She initially claimed that her sponsor had tied her up for a month in a bathroom and beat her severely, injuring her eyes and knocking out several of her teeth.

In the latest inquiry report, Miyati has retracted her accusations of being tied up and tortured. Sukiarto said he would visit her at the hospital today and get a clarification. He will also consult with the lawyer the embassy had assigned to her.

Sukiarto too was kept away from the latest investigation. “Our duty at the embassy is to protect the rights of our citizens and we will follow up on the case to make sure Nour Miyati is treated fairly and receives her rights,” he said.

He said that a diplomatic note had been sent from the Foreign Office in Jakarta to all Indonesian embassies and foreign ministries in the Gulf concerning the treatment of Indonesian workers. “The case of Nour Miyati is considered as a separate and single incident and does not affect the agreements for better treatment of workers, especially housemaids,” he said.

The National Society for Human Rights (NSHR) intervened on behalf of Miyati as soon as they became aware of the case but they too were denied access to Miyati during the investigation. “The investigative committee did not want Miyati to be under any kind of pressure or influence; that is why they kept her out of reach of anyone including her embassy,” said Thuraya Abid Sheikh, a NSHR member who followed up on the case.

She said the society had received a copy of the investigative report the night before it was published in the papers and that it seemed to be thorough. “They have a medical report and took their time in investigating the case so I expect that it was a fair and accurate report,” she told Arab News.

She said that according to the medical report there were no physical injuries on Miyati’s body consistent with torture except those on her face which her sponsor and his wife admitted to. The report suggests that the gangrene was the result of other medical problems suffered by Miyati. Her sponsor and his wife are charged with negligence for not providing her with proper medical care as well as assault and mistreatment.

“Our role now is to follow up on what punishment the sponsor and his wife will get and to ensure that Miyati receives all her rights, whether financial or medical care, before she leaves the country,” Thuraya told Arab News.

Dr. Lubna Al-Ansari, a physician and a senior member of the NSHR, said that although she was not part of the team that followed up the case, as a physician she believes the medical report is not clear enough. “From the medical and psychological assessment of the patient, it is not clear to me what exactly she is suffering from that caused her gangrene and injuries,” she told Arab News. She expects the NSHR to meet Miyati to ensure that she has not been under any kind of pressure and that the investigation was valid.

source

They don't know what's causing the gangrene and she admitted she was lying about some of her allegations...

The man and his wife are being punished for their crime... what more do you want? a time machine??

Are people not mistreated in America as well?

You just said people are not perfect.... because this one Saudi family does this terrible thing that means all of Saudi is bad???? What kind of geralization is that????

Also, I have a question for you... since no man is perfect and it's impossible to implement sharia perfectly, does that give us the right to abandon it altogether? Does that mean the we should live in a lawless society and let folks run amuck because we're not more perfect than they are? There has to be laws.... in our case we have them already... we shouldn't shun them.

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Sharia may be God's law, but it is implemented by man, and man is inherently flawed.

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Look at the actual cases, not an idealized Sharia that is not implemented.

... I realize that no man is going to implement the sharia perfectly.

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... since no man is perfect and it's impossible to implement sharia perfectly, does that give us the right to abandon it altogether?

Interesting point and counter-point.

[Veiled Princess 1]

THose statues have been there for a long time and how many Buddhist Afghans have you run into? A statue in no way brings someone to worship it. Heck, I've got statues all over my room of angels and such. I was even recently thinking of adding a statue of Buddha to my collection cause he is so darn cute. So if those BUddhist statues are such an influence then why are there more CHristian converts among Afghans then BUddhist ones? If someone wants to stray from Islam they will do it regardless of any statue. You don't make sense whatsoever.

If the Afghani people/government want those statues there that's your business... it's you country you can do whatever you want... however, if you/they don't want them there you have every right to tear them down or refuse to rebuild them or whatever else you choose because it's your country....

that was my point at the start of this. I was under the impression the Afghani people were being pressured by outside forces. Obviously I am wrong and you speak for all the people there and ya'll want them back so happy building

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I was under the impression the Afghani people were being pressured by outside forces.

VP,

The original article clearly stated that the Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wanted it rebuilt.