Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban

[Nizzy 1]

My point is this:

When you are protecting future Muslims from Idolism as you said, you are taking tempations away from them. Their ability to pass these temptations and obstacles in life is what defines their religious conviction. Instead of looking at it as "Christians being forced to fast" which is not the case, its done to take away the temptation to make it easier for the Muslims to fast.

The Quran teaches you that Idolism are wrong, the way I see it as long as in your personal life you follow this then you have succeded in making God happy. The same goes for fasting which is why I used it as an example. You are fasting for your religous convictions, why do I need to fast for you to be a good Muslim?

You don't.

And here is my point.... you don't know what the future generations might think about those statues... I'm not talking about the next generation of even the next three... think 2,000 years down the road... what happens if something happens to the civilization there? 2,000 years later here are people digging through the rubble... they find a Quran some bukhari books and a bunch of statues? Think they might get the wrong idea? Is it possible they might misconstrue the reason those idols were there?

Do you not think this ever happened in the past? Every time an archeologist (sp?) finds a doll in some dig we get a new fertility goddess that someone must have worshipped in the old days....

The point is not to encourage idolatry in the future by leaving things like this behind in muslim culture. I believe that's the reason why the prophet destroyed the idols in his day and why he ordered others to do the same.

It's not just about offending God... it's also about preserving the truth. (our truth)

His it not also forbidden in christianity to make idols? graven images?

Those statues in no way promote idol worship. It is a part of HISTORY...seriously those statues mean so much to me in terms of who I am...I want my kids, my kids kids, my kids kids kids, etc. to know about them. What the Taliban failed to notice is that those statues are not the reason many turned away from Islam...it was the Taliban itself as an enforcer of the religion.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Would you want to live in a Sharia governed state - with all that comes with that?

Yes

In most countries with Sharia law, you would lose custody of your children once you remarry and/or when they become age of custodial transfer. Few countries make provisions for when a women converts and the father is a non-Muslim.

This is even true in Jordan where Sharia law is not practiced. If a woman divorces the man, she loses custody. That is why divorce is rare.

My point is this:

When you are protecting future Muslims from Idolism as you said, you are taking tempations away from them. Their ability to pass these temptations and obstacles in life is what defines their religious conviction. Instead of looking at it as "Christians being forced to fast" which is not the case, its done to take away the temptation to make it easier for the Muslims to fast.

The Quran teaches you that Idolism are wrong, the way I see it as long as in your personal life you follow this then you have succeded in making God happy. The same goes for fasting which is why I used it as an example. You are fasting for your religous convictions, why do I need to fast for you to be a good Muslim?

You don't.

And here is my point.... you don't know what the future generations might think about those statues... I'm not talking about the next generation of even the next three... think 2,000 years down the road... what happens if something happens to the civilization there? 2,000 years later here are people digging through the rubble... they find a Quran some bukhari books and a bunch of statues? Think they might get the wrong idea? Is it possible they might misconstrue the reason those idols were there?

Do you not think this ever happened in the past? Every time an archeologist (sp?) finds a doll in some dig we get a new fertility goddess that someone must have worshipped in the old days....

The point is not to encourage idolatry in the future by leaving things like this behind in muslim culture. I believe that's the reason why the prophet destroyed the idols in his day and why he ordered others to do the same.

It's not just about offending God... it's also about preserving the truth. (our truth)

His it not also forbidden in christianity to make idols? graven images?

Those statues in no way promote idol worship. It is a part of HISTORY...seriously those statues mean so much to me in terms of who I am...I want my kids, my kids kids, my kids kids kids, etc. to know about them. What the Taliban failed to notice is that those statues are not the reason many turned away from Islam...it was the Taliban itself as an enforcer of the religion.

This is the number one reason people stray from any religion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Every time an archeologist (sp?) finds a doll in some dig we get a new fertility goddess that someone must have worshipped in the old days....

The point is not to encourage idolatry in the future by leaving things like this behind in muslim culture. I believe that's the reason why the prophet destroyed the idols in his day and why he ordered others to do the same.

It's not just about offending God... it's also about preserving the truth. (our truth)

Is it not also forbidden in christianity to make idols? graven images?

How does destroying the past amount to 'preserving' truth?

What's the point - that archaeology is evil and should be shunned whenever something is unearthed that is 'inconvenient' to the people currently living there

[Nizzy 1]

You know Jordanian Princess the Taliban had a great deal to do with my questioning of Islam. I just did not understand why my people were going through such pain...and thinking about little kids freezing to death in ditches kept me up late at night. But then I grew up and realized that they distorted Islam and are complete idiots. I wish they could publicly execute them...I would love to watch...sorry if that sounds cruel but there is so much pain in me...on my trip to Afghanistan I went to the soccer field where they publicly executed the women...wow it was too much for me...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Would you want to live in a Sharia governed state - with all that comes with that?

Yes

In most countries with Sharia law, you would lose custody of your children once you remarry and/or when they become age of custodial transfer. Few countries make provisions for when a women converts and the father is a non-Muslim.

This is even true in Jordan where Sharia law is not practiced. If a woman divorces the man, she loses custody. That is why divorce is rare.

My point is this:

When you are protecting future Muslims from Idolism as you said, you are taking tempations away from them. Their ability to pass these temptations and obstacles in life is what defines their religious conviction. Instead of looking at it as "Christians being forced to fast" which is not the case, its done to take away the temptation to make it easier for the Muslims to fast.

The Quran teaches you that Idolism are wrong, the way I see it as long as in your personal life you follow this then you have succeded in making God happy. The same goes for fasting which is why I used it as an example. You are fasting for your religous convictions, why do I need to fast for you to be a good Muslim?

You don't.

And here is my point.... you don't know what the future generations might think about those statues... I'm not talking about the next generation of even the next three... think 2,000 years down the road... what happens if something happens to the civilization there? 2,000 years later here are people digging through the rubble... they find a Quran some bukhari books and a bunch of statues? Think they might get the wrong idea? Is it possible they might misconstrue the reason those idols were there?

Do you not think this ever happened in the past? Every time an archeologist (sp?) finds a doll in some dig we get a new fertility goddess that someone must have worshipped in the old days....

The point is not to encourage idolatry in the future by leaving things like this behind in muslim culture. I believe that's the reason why the prophet destroyed the idols in his day and why he ordered others to do the same.

It's not just about offending God... it's also about preserving the truth. (our truth)

His it not also forbidden in christianity to make idols? graven images?

Those statues in no way promote idol worship. It is a part of HISTORY...seriously those statues mean so much to me in terms of who I am...I want my kids, my kids kids, my kids kids kids, etc. to know about them. What the Taliban failed to notice is that those statues are not the reason many turned away from Islam...it was the Taliban itself as an enforcer of the religion.

This is the number one reason people stray from any religion.

"Enforce" being the operative word. Doesn't seem to allow for much exercise of free will. And Sharia is supposedly a 'desirable' state in which to live? Sounds like a self-deceiving fantasy to me...

[Veiled Princess 1]

Would you want to live in a Sharia governed state - with all that comes with that?

Yes

In most countries with Sharia law, you would lose custody of your children once you remarry and/or when they become age of custodial transfer. Few countries make provisions for when a women converts and the father is a non-Muslim.

Islam gives custody of the children to the muslim parent if one parent is not. Doesn't matter if it's the father or the mother.

I don't have a problem with children (after a certain age) being raised by their father if he's muslim. The mother does still get to be a part of the children's lives. I also don't plan on getting divorced again in the fufture

[jordanianprincess 0]

You know Jordanian Princess the Taliban had a great deal to do with my questioning of Islam. I just did not understand why my people were going through such pain...and thinking about little kids freezing to death in ditches kept me up late at night. But then I grew up and realized that they distorted Islam and are complete idiots. I wish they could publicly execute them...I would love to watch...sorry if that sounds cruel but there is so much pain in me...on my trip to Afghanistan I went to the soccer field where they publicly executed the women...wow it was too much for me...

Nizzy, I personally have many Afghan friends that feel the same way. I don't even think that Sharia law was meant to be so brutal and violent, instead it was their perception of it. As Rebecca said, Islam can't be picked apart and taken in small pieces, it must be taken as a whole to fully understand.

[Veiled Princess 1]

You have some nerve because you don't even know what it means to be Afghan and you are stating that my history doesn't mean anything. I guess all the other stuff I said flew past your head.

You're right, I don't know what it's like to be Afghani. My opinion is based solely on my interpretation of Islamic law.

How would you feel if future generations of muslims (your decendants) started worshipping those statues because they misunderstood the reason they're there?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

And Sharia is supposedly a 'desirable' state in which to live? Sounds like a self-deceiving fantasy to me...

A popular fantasy. A recent survey of Muslims in the UK revealed the following:

A third of those questioned said they would rather live under Sharia law in the UK than British law.

[jordanianprincess 0]

You have some nerve because you don't even know what it means to be Afghan and you are stating that my history doesn't mean anything. I guess all the other stuff I said flew past your head.

You're right, I don't know what it's like to be Afghani. My opinion is based solely on my interpretation of Islamic law.How would you feel if future generations of muslims (your decendants) started worshipping those statues because they misunderstood the reason they're there?

You nailed it, what you seem to forget is that every Muslim country does not operate the same as others. Every country has something that makes them unique. The fact is those statues were accepted by Afghan Muslims until the Taliban destroyed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You have some nerve because you don't even know what it means to be Afghan and you are stating that my history doesn't mean anything. I guess all the other stuff I said flew past your head.

You're right, I don't know what it's like to be Afghani. My opinion is based solely on my interpretation of Islamic law.

How would you feel if future generations of muslims (your decendants) started worshipping those statues because they misunderstood the reason they're there?

How stupid do you take people to be? A guy goes out for a walk, a muslim in the morning and a worshipper of a Lovecraftian Tsathogguan toad demon by sun-down?

Please... what happened to trust and personal responsibility

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

One more thing, back on topic about the statues. I keep hearing that Afghanistan no longer has Buddhists so why keep the Buddha statue? Well, Afghanistan does have a tiny Hindu minority (yes, even now, after all those Talib years) and many Hindus consider Gautama Buddha the last reincarnation of Vishnu. In case you don't know what that means, let's just say it ain't only the Buddhists who revere Gautama Buddha. Many Hindus do too. And they're still around.

[jordanianprincess 0]

You have some nerve because you don't even know what it means to be Afghan and you are stating that my history doesn't mean anything. I guess all the other stuff I said flew past your head.

You're right, I don't know what it's like to be Afghani. My opinion is based solely on my interpretation of Islamic law.

How would you feel if future generations of muslims (your decendants) started worshipping those statues because they misunderstood the reason they're there?

How stupid do you take people to be? A guy goes out for a walk, a muslim in the morning and a worshipper of a Lovecraftian Tsathogguan toad demon by sun-down?

Please... what happened to trust and personal responsibility

Agreed, do you think that I'm worried my kids will walk out of the house and start worshipping in Mosques someday if I lived in Jordan? It's my job to raise them not the worlds.

[Bosco 1]

In most countries with Sharia law, you would lose custody of your children once you remarry and/or when they become age of custodial transfer. Few countries make provisions for when a women converts and the father is a non-Muslim.

I thought the law system of Jordan was broken into civil courts and religious courts, with the religious courts deciding personal matters like divorce and inheritance (similar to Morocco's moudawana), and that the religious courts were divided into ecclesiastical courts for Christians and Sharia courts for Muslims, with the Court of Appeals in Amman presiding over both.

[Fandango 1,439]

When I fast during lent, there is temptation all around. My ability to pass up those temptations is what makes my religious convition even stronger.

JP, allow me to expound on this statement, please!

The ability to keep to your sacrifice while faced with it head on - despite the flesh being weak - is what also lends more meaning and depth to the reason for sacrificing in the first place.

IE a lot of ppl give things up that are relatively easy to do....I give up something every Lenten Season that is HARD...something I will miss on a daily basis. Something I will have to govern myself to look in the eye and say 'no'. I'm a grown adult, I don't need to be spoonfed