Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hrmm....like wanting statues of different faiths other than yours destroyed because it's against your religious beliefs....how's that for a start?

In a muslim country? Do they not have the right to follow their own laws there? Where is that tolerance for other faiths?

Because the act effectively outlaws the expression of other faiths - that IS intolerant. Not so hard to understand. This is yet another reason why religion should be separate from the workings of the state. As another poster said its essentially like hunting because you hate animals. <<shakes head>>

Regardless, if certain Afghans can't understand the value of history and choose to deprive the nation and their descendents of their national heritage, I find that extremely sad. I don't even understand your position here - its not based on anything approaching conventional morality and reason.

[Fandango 1,440]

So Sharia is intolerant?

Idols are not allowed. You are free to draw whatever conclusion you wish from that.

Idols are not allowed for Muslims. What's the Quran say about co-existing amongst followers of other faiths?

Should the fact that it's a Muslim country mean that all non-Muslims should either be deported or exterminated?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't even understand your position here - its not based on anything approaching conventional morality and reason.

Conventional Western morality and reason. Where I come from, there were many who believed as VP does. Out there, her belief system is quite conventional. So yeah, VP is right.. my mind was made up long before she showed up.

[jordanianprincess 0]

The internet has been a wonderful tool for spreading knowledge... it's also been used tremenously to spread misinformation as well.

It is a blessing that the scholars have allowed their articles to be placed on the internet to facilitate dawah.

The internet is also full of lots of mis-nformation and you don't need to be a scholar to get a website

Its similar to someone arguing that the massive destruction of the amazon rainforest and the dumping millions of gallons of toxic waste into the oceans are somehow 'good' ideas. Its against all norms of rational common sense.

That's absurd.... what good does having those statues stand in a muslim country hold? It is against the religion. That's it.

Again, there are lots of muslim countries with historical sites. Jenn mentioned the Pyramids in Egypt, Jordan also has many historical Chrisitan sites as well as Roman ruins. Even though the country is not ruled by Sharia law, it is a predominitly Muslim country as is Egypt. NO ONE has the right to destroy those sites.

You have been hiding the fact that things happend that are in God's will, well if God's wanted those statues destroyed he could send down a bolt of lightning and do it himself. No one is in the position to act for God.

I think this really comes down to semantics and how we define Muslim/Islam. If you are defining Muslim as "believer", i.e. - believer in one God, than yes, all the Prophets would be considered Muslims/believers.

However, if you are applying the contemporary understanding of Muslim, someone who not only believes in one God but as Muhammad as his messenger, than no - they were not Muslims.

I think this is what JP was getting at in re-writing history.

Exactly, thank you Rebecca. We are not argueing whose beliefs are right or wrong. VP, you are Muslim and I respect that. I will respect it up until the point you get into my space regarding my reliogion. The point is you are re-writting history.

So Sharia is intolerant?

Idols are not allowed. You are free to draw whatever conclusion you wish from that.

I already have. And you helped. Thank you.

You did that long before I came into the picture... I helped you with nothing

VP you have helped many people with the misconceptions they have of Arabs and Muslims. In a mater of 3 days, you have shown your support of the Taliban, said its perfectly fine for a 12 year old to marry, and called a young girl a #######.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

So Sharia is intolerant?

Idols are not allowed. You are free to draw whatever conclusion you wish from that.

Idols are not allowed for Muslims. What's the Quran say about co-existing amongst followers of other faiths?

Should the fact that it's a Muslim country mean that all non-Muslims should either be deported or exterminated?

converted, killed or turn into slaves

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Should the fact that it's a Muslim country mean that all non-Muslims should either be deported or exterminated?

converted, killed or turn into slaves

Aah yes, slavery. Her belief system allows for men to keep female slaves (they just can't have sex with them).

[Veiled Princess 1]

So Sharia is intolerant?

Idols are not allowed. You are free to draw whatever conclusion you wish from that.

Idols are not allowed for Muslims. What's the Quran say about co-existing amongst followers of other faiths?

Should the fact that it's a Muslim country mean that all non-Muslims should either be deported or exterminated?

It has nothing to do with exterminating anyone... it's about idols. It's already been discussed that co-existing with people of other faiths does not mean going against other parts of the Quran making idols is forbidden.

I don't agree with a lot of things the US govt does... because of that I have been told (or invited) to leave it, here on this very thread... what's the difference there?

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

People have a right to follow whatever set of laws they see fit in their countries and to say otherwise is.... intolerant

by your very own logic, anything native american can be knocked down and destroyed.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Should the fact that it's a Muslim country mean that all non-Muslims should either be deported or exterminated?

converted, killed or turn into slaves

Aah yes, slavery. Her belief system allows for men to keep female slaves (they just can't have sex with them).

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=350959

Edited August 9, 2006 by Gupt

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What exactly makes it dishonest?

Aha - you're after a bit of semantic fencing I see.

Why is it dishonest? Because admitting to yourself that that the treasured relics of other cultures have no value other than how much money you can get for them, or how many whores they can buy you forces you to at least acknowledge their existence.

What you're apparently advocating is obliterating a nation's past because it is inconvenient to the faith of the people who currently live there. Like it or not Buddhists were there before the muslims, the act of destroying the statues seems (to me) to be part of a deliberate strategy to create the impression that (fundamentalist) islam is all there ever was.

Did you ever see the original Planet of the Apes? If you did, you might see what I'm getting at.

Edited August 9, 2006 by erekose

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

VP you have helped many people with the misconceptions they have of Arabs and Muslims. In a mater of 3 days, you have shown your support of the Taliban, said its perfectly fine for a 12 year old to marry, and called a young girl a #######.

does this mean she can't be group spokesperson any more?

[Veiled Princess 1]

you have shown your support of the Taliban

I have never shown support for the taliban! I have outright denied having any sympathy for them at all!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What you're apparently advocating is obliterating a nation's past because it is inconvenient to the faith of the people who currently live there. Like it or not Buddhists were there before the muslims, the act of destroying the statues seems (to me) to be part of a deliberate strategy to create the impression that (fundamentalist) islam is all there ever was.

very 1984

[Veiled Princess 1]

converted, killed or turn into slaves

That is not true... when have I said that?

[jordanianprincess 0]

So Sharia is intolerant?

Idols are not allowed. You are free to draw whatever conclusion you wish from that.

Idols are not allowed for Muslims. What's the Quran say about co-existing amongst followers of other faiths?

Should the fact that it's a Muslim country mean that all non-Muslims should either be deported or exterminated?

It has nothing to do with exterminating anyone... it's about idols. It's already been discussed that co-existing with people of other faiths does not mean going against other parts of the Quran making idols is forbidden. I don't agree with a lot of things the US govt does... because of that I have been told (or invited) to leave it, here on this very thread... what's the difference there?

How do you let other faith's co-exist by blowing up what they believe in? They Idol's may mean nothing to you and your religion, but in their relgion it is a vital part of it.