Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban

[Veiled Princess 1]

Where's the proof that all Salafi scholars condemn terrorism?

here here here Click on I'm a non-muslim and wish to learn more then scroll to the bottom and read articles against terrorism

Those should keep you busy for a while...

VP before you post another idiotic post. make a B line right to the nearest University

and take a Religons of the world class. then come back and post.

I don't need a religions of the world class.... I have my holy book that says all the prophets were muslims because they all submitted to God and that's all I need.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Where's the proof that all Salafi scholars condemn terrorism?

here here here Click on I'm a non-muslim and wish to learn more then scroll to the bottom and read articles against terrorism

Those should keep you busy for a while...

I don't think a website is proof of anything I am not saying if they condemn it or not and I know you are just answering a question, but website IMO is not proof since anyone can have one.

[babybunny 2]

Where's the proof that all Salafi scholars condemn terrorism?

here here here Click on I'm a non-muslim and wish to learn more then scroll to the bottom and read articles against terrorism

Those should keep you busy for a while...

VP before you post another idiotic post. make a B line right to the nearest University

and take a Religons of the world class. then come back and post.

I don't need a religions of the world class.... I have my holy book that says all the prophets were muslims because they all submitted to God and that's all I need.

something is wrong with your FACTs .. its all screwd up! or your reading the wrong books

[chri'stina 190]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Edited August 9, 2006 by stina&suj

[jordanianprincess 0]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Then explain why other muslims don't feel the same way?

[Garfield fan 0]

I came to this topic late but just want to share my opinions. I'm a Buddhist and personally it doesn't really matter to me whether the Taliban or Afghan government will rebuild the Buddha statues or not. It would be great if they do (just because they were historical sites and it's such a shame to have it destroyed), but it's fine if they don't. I believe Buddhism wants its followers to pay attention to more important things than just debating over a statue, even if it's a Buddha statue. To us, Buddha statue is just one symbol to remind us of the noble virtues that the Buddha did, it is definitely not the main object of our worship.

Should the Moslem people in Afghanistan want to ship it to some Buddhist country and have them rebuilt outside their communities, I would say that's fine (again, this is just personal opinion, I'm not representing any countries here ). It just doesn't really make any sense to do that if they want the renovated statues to be put back in its original sites which are inside Afghanistan. And from what I read, it sounds like the people in Bamiyan province want to rebuild these statues to "change their lives from being dominated by poverty" ?? If that really the case, why don't they do it themselves in their own land ? Just a thought...

[Fandango 1,440]

The shaykh who runs this site is Salafi, like VP. This is not mainstream Islam and is not the type of Islam practiced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims.

If he is, he is not one that I have ever heard of.

The methodology of the Salafiyyh is to return to original Islam based on the Quran and Sunnah as was understood by the salaf/sahaba/companions of the prophet. They understood better what they observed than we do. We're not supposed to change the religion. There have been many sects pop up since the time of the prophet calling people to shirk and allowing the haraam and the salafiyyah's objective is to teach muslims the true Islam.

You are, of course, free to disagree.

So you would like Islam to be kickin it old school...ie women being stoned to death and stuff?

hahahahahahaaaaaa...

oh wait.. Jesus was Black? hmmm.. never seen a black jew before though...

now ya have

[chri'stina 190]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Then explain why other muslims don't feel the same way?

Good question. I really don't know. My guesses (just guesses tho) would be either they don't know what the Quran says or don't follow it... or the term 'submitting to God' is interpreted differently, one way meaning stricly Muslim/Islam as their religion, and for others meaning just submitted to God but not strictly as a muslim. I don't know.

[Fandango 1,440]

If so, what specifically is the justification for this?

I believe she's already quoted the relevant Quranic verses on this thread.

But (I'm too lazy to check) then said it had nothing to do with religion or politics...?

I'm pretty sure she said the terrorists aren't 'muslim', on that basis what right do they have to use a religious justification for their act of national vandalism?

If you read her responses on this thread, nowhere does she say that their destruction of the Buddha statues was unislamic. In fact, she clearly implies that it is. If they are not Muslim, that must be for some other reason.

I'm sure they thought or think it's for Islam but they have done many things that take them out of the fold of Islam so any small thing they might have done amongst all the bad doesn't mean anything, religiously.

So they were bombing the statues to get back in the fold?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Then explain why other muslims don't feel the same way?

Good question. I really don't know. My guesses (just guesses tho) would be either they don't know what the Quran says or don't follow it... or the term 'submitting to God' is interpreted differently, one way meaning stricly Muslim/Islam as their religion, and for others meaning just submitted to God but not strictly as a muslim. I don't know.

With all due respect, it could be the other way around. There are many wonderful members in VJ that do follow the Quran and are good muslims who would disagree and be offended by this. Everyone does interpret things differently but to say they don't know Islam or don't follow Islam is incorrect.

[chri'stina 190]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Then explain why other muslims don't feel the same way?

Good question. I really don't know. My guesses (just guesses tho) would be either they don't know what the Quran says or don't follow it... or the term 'submitting to God' is interpreted differently, one way meaning stricly Muslim/Islam as their religion, and for others meaning just submitted to God but not strictly as a muslim. I don't know.

With all due respect, it could be the other way around. There are many wonderful members in VJ that do follow the Quran and are good muslims who would disagree and be offended by this. Everyone does interpret things differently but to say they don't know Islam or don't follow Islam is incorrect.

What I wrote wasn't meant as an offense. I don't see how it was offensive, as I was trying to say possible reasons. And I also would like to know the answer from other muslims since I do not know much more than what I had read about the belief that those before were truly Muslims, just identified under different names (judaism/christianity) due to the corruption of the stories in the Bible.

[GaryC 7]

hahahahahahaaaaaa...

oh wait.. Jesus was Black? hmmm.. never seen a black jew before though...

now ya have

Very good one Lisa!! That made me laugh!!!

Edited August 9, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[jordanianprincess 0]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Then explain why other muslims don't feel the same way?

Good question. I really don't know. My guesses (just guesses tho) would be either they don't know what the Quran says or don't follow it... or the term 'submitting to God' is interpreted differently, one way meaning stricly Muslim/Islam as their religion, and for others meaning just submitted to God but not strictly as a muslim. I don't know.

With all due respect, it could be the other way around. There are many wonderful members in VJ that do follow the Quran and are good muslims who would disagree and be offended by this. Everyone does interpret things differently but to say they don't know Islam or don't follow Islam is incorrect.

What I wrote wasn't meant as an offense. I don't see how it was offensive, as I was trying to say possible reasons. And I also would like to know the answer from other muslims since I do not know much more than what I had read about the belief that those before were truly Muslims, just identified under different names (judaism/christianity) due to the corruption of the stories in the Bible.

Offensive because you are saying a possible reason that another muslim would not agree with her is that they dont know what the Quran says or don't follow it. If interpret something from the bible differently than I do, then doesn't mean you don't know what the bible says or don't follow it. Get what I am saying now? I am sure someone will be here shortly to answer.

[Fandango 1,440]

Had it been the muslim ruler in a country governed by the sharia then yes I would agree it was right. However, the taliban does not have any right to act as ruler in any country so they don't have the right to make decisions like that.

Here's another question: do you think it was wrong then for the statues to be allowed to stay up for so long? under Sharia law, why do you think they were allowed to remain? If they are such an abomination, why weren't they proudly demolished?

[chri'stina 190]

Even though I don't agree with VP, I do think she has the idea right that in Islam, the prophets/Jesus/Abraham are considered actually "muslims". I have read it and heard it from others too. If the quran says it, and VP follows the Quran, then why wouldn't she believe that? Again, I don't agree with it but she is following what it says in the Quran (on this issue...but I have no idea about the other issues being discussed).

Then explain why other muslims don't feel the same way?

Good question. I really don't know. My guesses (just guesses tho) would be either they don't know what the Quran says or don't follow it... or the term 'submitting to God' is interpreted differently, one way meaning stricly Muslim/Islam as their religion, and for others meaning just submitted to God but not strictly as a muslim. I don't know.

With all due respect, it could be the other way around. There are many wonderful members in VJ that do follow the Quran and are good muslims who would disagree and be offended by this. Everyone does interpret things differently but to say they don't know Islam or don't follow Islam is incorrect.

What I wrote wasn't meant as an offense. I don't see how it was offensive, as I was trying to say possible reasons. And I also would like to know the answer from other muslims since I do not know much more than what I had read about the belief that those before were truly Muslims, just identified under different names (judaism/christianity) due to the corruption of the stories in the Bible.

Offensive because you are saying a possible reason that another muslim would not agree with her is that they dont know what the Quran says or don't follow it. If interpret something from the bible differently than I do, then doesn't mean you don't know what the bible says or don't follow it. Get what I am saying now? I am sure someone will be here shortly to answer.

Yes I get what you are saying, and agree interpretation is the probable reason. I was just putting out other suggestions because I know many people who follow a religion and yet don't know what their religion's holy book says (goes for christians, jews, hindus, anyone really). Know what I mean? Anyway, I have to get to bed, why am I on here so late?? I will read the answers tomorrow. If someone answers about it, I genuinely wanted to know and wasn't trying to be offensive, as to the reason why there is disagreement among Muslims on that issue.