Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban

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Had it been the muslim ruler in a country governed by the sharia then yes I would agree it was right. However, the taliban does not have any right to act as ruler in any country so they don't have the right to make decisions like that.

Sounds like a simple answer to me. Thanks.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Ignornance means lack of knowledge or information, its not a name or derogatory remark. If you are telling me that Islam came before Judiasm and Christianity and that Jesus is a Muslim then YES you are ignorant. because you are going against written history.

You're missing my point completely. The Quran says that all the prophets were sent with the same message... the call to worship the One God and none other and submit to Him (Islam).... Since Jesus is one of those prophets named therein and he submitted to God (Islam) then he was a muslim. Just because christians call themselves christians throughout history doesn't make it right. Jesus never called himself a christian nor instructed any of his followers to do so... at least not in my version of the bible.

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Some Salafis believe that violent jihad is permissible against foreign, non-Muslim, occupation, but not against governments that claim to be Islamic. Those governments are to be reformed, not violently overthrown. Civil war (fitna) is to be avoided. (Salman Al-Auda)

Some Salafis believe that most majority-Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, have strayed and that the only answer to the plight of Muslims today is Jihad. Osama bin Laden is a prominent example of a Salafi Saudi Muslim who has gone from supporting the Saudi regime to violently opposing it.

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Thanks for trying to pass judgement on Islam based on a western concept of something that's misunderstood.....

I agree that jihad is very important for us as an ummah right now... if you knew what jihad was you would hopefully agree. Jihad is a struggle... there is a lot of fitnah from within the ummah today and many muslims have strayed from the teachings of the Quran and our prophet and we must fight our inner selves to strive to be pious muslims to better our ummah.

No salafi scholar calls for jihad in the sense you are using it above. What they call for is for us to learn our deen and practice it to make us better people for the sake of Allah.

Saudia is not ruled by the scholars there. And civil war and fighting amongst ourselves or our governments is haraam in Islam.

Bin Losing is not salafi... he is from the khawarij.

All salafi scholars publicly and privately condemn those terrorists.

You seemed to have conveniently ignored all my questions about how you would feel if another religion came in and took over Saudi Arabia, blew up Mecca and Medina and thought it would be just fine to ship the pieces off to another muslim country.

They would have a hard fight taking it

Consequently... anything that happens is by Allah's will and as such I would accept it.

I am aware what jihad is.. That's why it was specifically noted as "violent jihad" and not just "jihad" alone.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Not only that - but should a country maintain its historical heritage?

Sure.. put back my teepees and trees and we'll call it even

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Ignornance means lack of knowledge or information, its not a name or derogatory remark. If you are telling me that Islam came before Judiasm and Christianity and that Jesus is a Muslim then YES you are ignorant. because you are going against written history.

You're missing my point completely. The Quran says that all the prophets were sent with the same message... the call to worship the One God and none other and submit to Him (Islam).... Since Jesus is one of those prophets named therein and he submitted to God (Islam) then he was a muslim. Just because christians call themselves christians throughout history doesn't make it right. Jesus never called himself a christian nor instructed any of his followers to do so... at least not in my version of the bible.

He also didnt call himself Muslim. Am I really missing your point? Or is it that I don't believe in Islam? Its obvious that I don't, but you are missing the point. Islam did NOT come before Judiasm and Christianity. and Jesus was Jewish.

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Where's the proof that all Salafi scholars condemn terrorism?

[Veiled Princess 1]

I don't think terrorists randomly bomb things just for kicks.

OK since you are obviously able to justify it why don't you enlighten the rest of us and tell us why terrorists bomb things and why we should sympothise with them.....

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Quoting a source is not passing judgement. Neither is questioning.

I don't think terrorists randomly bomb things just for kicks.

OK since you are obviously able to justify it why don't you enlighten the rest of us and tell us why terrorists bomb things and why we should sympothise with them.....

You stated : does a terrorist have to have a reason o be a terrorist???

I answered.

When did I say they deserve sympathy???? or support???

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[Veiled Princess 1]

He also didnt call himself Muslim. Am I really missing your point? Or is it that I don't believe in Islam? Its obvious that I don't, but you are missing the point. Islam did NOT come before Judiasm and Christianity. and Jesus was Jewish.

And since all the prophets were muslim, according to my book, that would make the prophet of judaism muslim too

I know ur not muslim and you don't believe in Islam... I am explaining my stance.

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He also didnt call himself Muslim. Am I really missing your point? Or is it that I don't believe in Islam? Its obvious that I don't, but you are missing the point. Islam did NOT come before Judiasm and Christianity. and Jesus was Jewish.

And since all the prophets were muslim, according to my book, that would make the prophet of judaism muslim too

I know ur not muslim and you don't believe in Islam... I am explaining my stance.

Exactly its YOUR stance, but your stance is not written in history and I'm not talking about the bible. and there are plenty of Muslims that disagree with what you say.

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Ignornance means lack of knowledge or information, its not a name or derogatory remark. If you are telling me that Islam came before Judiasm and Christianity and that Jesus is a Muslim then YES you are ignorant. because you are going against written history.

You're missing my point completely. The Quran says that all the prophets were sent with the same message... the call to worship the One God and none other and submit to Him (Islam).... Since Jesus is one of those prophets named therein and he submitted to God (Islam) then he was a muslim. Just because christians call themselves christians throughout history doesn't make it right. Jesus never called himself a christian nor instructed any of his followers to do so... at least not in my version of the bible.

He also didnt call himself Muslim. Am I really missing your point? Or is it that I don't believe in Islam? Its obvious that I don't, but you are missing the point. Islam did NOT come before Judiasm and Christianity. and Jesus was Jewish.

I agree with you 100% but in Islam, Abraham, the prophets, Jesus,etc are all considered to be actually Muslim but that we just think they weren't. And muslim meaning, the way they worshipped God is the same way Muslims today are still supposed to. Remember in Islam, the bible is considered corrupted, so whatever the bible says doesn't have to be true to them. The Bible says Jesus was Jewish, and that the prophets before him were also. But in Islam they think it's just not true, and that it was recorded incorrectly/corrupted. Of course Christians and Jews believe the Quran is incorrect so there is no way to agree that all those people were actually muslim, which did not exist until Mohammed came along. There is proof in archaeology of people in the Israeli area worshipping in the way the old testament describes during those days. How can they then say that it was only Islam all along, when there is clearly/historically Judaism before Christianity, and Christianity before Islam. I don't know if there is any historical proof to show people worshipping in the Islamic way prior to Islam's existence(I wouldn't think there'd be). It's complicated, and I wish I knew more about the issue. Believing/not believing in something is one thing, but to ignore the historical evidence and archaeological proof of Judaism/Christianity's existence as a real belief system is odd IMO. I do not believe in Hinduism but there is ample evidence of it being a long standing belief system in India, by the records written, temples still standing, and archaeology.

Edited August 9, 2006 by stina&suj

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He also didnt call himself Muslim. Am I really missing your point? Or is it that I don't believe in Islam? Its obvious that I don't, but you are missing the point. Islam did NOT come before Judiasm and Christianity. and Jesus was Jewish.

And since all the prophets were muslim, according to my book, that would make the prophet of judaism muslim too

I know ur not muslim and you don't believe in Islam... I am explaining my stance.

Exactly its YOUR stance, but your stance is not written in history and I'm not talking about the bible. and there are plenty of Muslims that disagree with what you say.

Well, I'm going to bed.. this conversation has been ponintless ... it wont change for "She who is always right".

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VP before you post another idiotic post. make a B line right to the nearest University

and take a Religons of the world class. then come back and post.

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Ignornance means lack of knowledge or information, its not a name or derogatory remark. If you are telling me that Islam came before Judiasm and Christianity and that Jesus is a Muslim then YES you are ignorant. because you are going against written history.

You're missing my point completely. The Quran says that all the prophets were sent with the same message... the call to worship the One God and none other and submit to Him (Islam).... Since Jesus is one of those prophets named therein and he submitted to God (Islam) then he was a muslim. Just because christians call themselves christians throughout history doesn't make it right. Jesus never called himself a christian nor instructed any of his followers to do so... at least not in my version of the bible.

Of course Jesus didn't call Himself a Christian. He called Himself the Christ (Messiah). A Christian is one who believes Jesus is the Christ.