UK - US could it be divorce ?

[Captain Oates 911]

I was actually watching Auntie Beeb America (who incidentally report no anti-British sentiment in spite of speaking in RP while visiting all 4 states affected by the spill )

I havent seen any anti BRIT stuff by Americans either

Just Mr O who overstepped the line with my company

It's one thing to demand that BP pay for XYZ but the guy is running the company by sheer muscle - saying the CEO should be fired and setting dividend policy in a UK company etc - extra judicial bullying

Imagine gordon brown socialist leader doing the same with goldman sachs or any other American company - they would say we will pay legitimate claims but until you get a seat on the board you can't fire executives etc

I was looking fwd to voting for O in 2012 but this plus the stupid police thing - he has had it with me now - abuse of power

Edited June 17, 2010 by saywhat

[TracyTN 237]

an american rig - (occidental petroleum)blew up in british waters and killed 167 men...

you can't even remember the anti- american hoohar so praps there wasn't any ?

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Piper_Alpha

Trompe is right - I don't remember that. I wasn't exactly 5 (bless her but probably not quite as up on world affairs as I would need to be to have remembered it.

If there was no anti American sentiment flowing at the time, then I guess it was either for the reason Trompe suggested (people not so prone to that reaction at the time), or perhaps the company handled the aftermath way better than BP has handled this.

I think everyone can agree that accidents happen - yes, even the BP one - but how you react and handle it after the fact says a lot.

[Captain Oates 911]

Trompe is right - I don't remember that. I wasn't exactly 5 (bless her but probably not quite as up on world affairs as I would need to be to have remembered it.

If there was no anti American sentiment flowing at the time, then I guess it was either for the reason Trompe suggested (people not so prone to that reaction at the time), or perhaps the company handled the aftermath way better than BP has handled this.

I think everyone can agree that accidents happen - yes, even the BP one - but how you react and handle it after the fact says a lot.

The history of the US is one of isolationism and nationalism - perhaps that is the reason why the UK can accept an American company killing of a 167 of it's citizens as an accident, but the US cannot accept 11 of it's citizens being killed in an accident but rather some foreign devil who has to be beaten to the max. The congressman just said that this would not have happened if an American company had been drilling the well and does Tony Hayward not feel any shame

The US CEO of BP was told by an Japanese American Congressman - 'in my culture we would be given a knife and told to commit hari kiri'

He actually invited the CEO to commit suicide in a public hearing. What the hell kind of country is this ?

Edited June 17, 2010 by saywhat

[Captain Oates 911]

Trompe is right - I don't remember that. I wasn't exactly 5 (bless her but probably not quite as up on world affairs as I would need to be to have remembered it.

If there was no anti American sentiment flowing at the time, then I guess it was either for the reason Trompe suggested (people not so prone to that reaction at the time), or perhaps the company handled the aftermath way better than BP has handled this.

I think everyone can agree that accidents happen - yes, even the BP one - but how you react and handle it after the fact says a lot.

So 167 Brits being killed doesn't matter as long as the US Public relations officer chooses his words better than Tony Hayward - typical - all for the show - all fur coat and no knickers

[TracyTN 237]

The history of the US is one of isolationism and nationalism - perhaps that is the reason why the UK can accept an American company killing of a 167 of it's citizens as an accident, but the US cannot accept 11 of it's citizens being killed in an accident but rather some foreign devil who has to be beaten to the max. The congressman just said that this would not have happened if an American company had been drilling the well and does Tony Hayward not feel any shame

The US CEO of BP was told by an Japanese American Congressman - 'in my culture we would be given a knife and told to commit hari kiri'

He actually invited the CEO to commit suicide in a public hearing. What the hell kind of country is this ?

Oh - that's right - I forgot! We're ALL horrid, awful people - because when one Congressman runs his mouth, that's how ALL of us feel. Right!

Thanks - I fell asleep at the wheel there for a moment, didn't I? (WHEW)

[TracyTN 237]

So 167 Brits being killed doesn't matter as long as the US Public relations officer chooses his words better than Tony Hayward - typical - all for the show - all fur coat and no knickers

Where did I say that?

Dealing with the aftermath is a bit more than what a CEO says. I brought that up only because it was an example of the callousness that you so frequently accuse ALL Americans of.

Truly Alan - does your wife know the depths of your hatred of all things American (and Americans in general)? Or does she not care because she's the one exception to your otherwise quite solid rule?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

The history of the US is one of isolationism and nationalism - perhaps that is the reason why the UK can accept an American company killing of a 167 of it's citizens as an accident, but the US cannot accept 11 of it's citizens being killed in an accident but rather some foreign devil who has to be beaten to the max. The congressman just said that this would not have happened if an American company had been drilling the well and does Tony Hayward not feel any shame

The US CEO of BP was told by an Japanese American Congressman - 'in my culture we would be given a knife and told to commit hari kiri'

He actually invited the CEO to commit suicide in a public hearing. What the hell kind of country is this ?

He was talking about Japan though not the United States.

[Captain Oates 911]

Where did I say that?

Dealing with the aftermath is a bit more than what a CEO says. I brought that up only because it was an example of the callousness that you so frequently accuse ALL Americans of.

Truly Alan - does your wife know the depths of your hatred of all things American (and Americans in general)? Or does she not care because she's the one exception to your otherwise quite solid rule?

You ascribe the word 'all' to me and then you use it yourself.

You were wrong both times and have no information on that , and you exagerrated to try and score a point.

If a personal cannot find a Congressman's actions revolting without being branded an enemy of America who hates all things American, then where is the fairness in that ?

This is the kind of prickly defensive nationalism that the world complains about

All the BRITS on here are quite happy to slag off the UK where they deserve it and make huge lists of things that are wrong with the UK

But mention ONE thing about the US and you guys get all homeland security about it - collective paranoia

Edited June 17, 2010 by saywhat

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

were just arguing with you - like you are with us. Why is it different when we do it?

[TracyTN 237]

You ascribe the word 'all' to me and then you use it yourself.

You were wrong both times and have no information on that , and you exagerrated to try and score a point.

If a personal cannot find a Congressman's actions revolting without being branded an enemy of America who hates all things American, then where is the fairness in that ?

This is the kind of prickly defensive nationalism that the world complains about

All the BRITS on here are quite happy to slag off the UK where they deserve it and make huge lists of things that are wrong with the UK

But mention ONE thing about the US and you guys get all homeland security about it - collective paranoia

Exactly - why is it ok for you to do it, but we can't? I guess because we're nationalistic Americans.

I'm quite happy to criticize the US whenever its warranted. The fact that I'm having trouble finding fault in this situation - other than O's bumblings (which I believe I larfed at previously in this thread), and some stupid comments by congressman here or there - isn't my fault. I suppose I don't find the victims on the rig or the Gulf Coast residents feeling the effects as having done something wrong - sorry!

What we 'guys' get homeland security about is someone like you who sees fault around every corner and a conspiracy of sorts every time you turn around. But what I'm starting to comprehend now is that this is due to how you view America and Americans - in very low esteem. Frankly I'm shocked that you ever married 'one of us'. I still contend she must have no idea how contemptible you find us to be.

[Fandango 1,439]

If America is filled with nothing but idiots as you claim, why the hell do you want to live here?

Better question would be 'why did you break immigration law for 14 years to be here?'

[Captain Oates 911]

Better question would be 'why did you break immigration law for 14 years to be here?'

Who did that ?

I came here on a GC in 2007

and I didnt get born in Kenya either

[Captain Oates 911]

Exactly - why is it ok for you to do it, but we can't? I guess because we're nationalistic Americans.

I'm quite happy to criticize the US whenever its warranted. The fact that I'm having trouble finding fault in this situation - other than O's bumblings (which I believe I larfed at previously in this thread), and some stupid comments by congressman here or there - isn't my fault. I suppose I don't find the victims on the rig or the Gulf Coast residents feeling the effects as having done something wrong - sorry!

What we 'guys' get homeland security about is someone like you who sees fault around every corner and a conspiracy of sorts every time you turn around. But what I'm starting to comprehend now is that this is due to how you view America and Americans - in very low esteem. Frankly I'm shocked that you ever married 'one of us'. I still contend she must have no idea how contemptible you find us to be.

Tracy that is just ridiculous

Because I dont like a congressman you say I don't like ALL Americans

Because I don't like too much nationalism, you say I hate America

You imply that if my wife is a good American, she should leave me

Are you sure you are posting in a balanced way or are you seized by nationalism and going over the top ?

[TracyTN 237]

Tracy that is just ridiculous

Because I dont like a congressman you say I don't like ALL Americans

Because I don't like too much nationalism, you say I hate America

You imply that if my wife is a good American, she should leave me

Are you sure you are posting in a balanced way or are you seized by nationalism and going over the top ?

No my dear. What's ridiculous is your incessant need - in this and nearly every other thread you post in - to remind us how all America and Americans are this way. Pompous, arrogant nationalists who refuse to find fault in anything that goes on here. For you, there's no room for debate, doubt, black/white/grey - that's just 'how we are.' And you, as a Brit, are better because you have a more 'tuned in' world view than ALL of us. Even those of us with foreign spouses who might actually be more naturally inclined to be a tad more aware of the world beyond our shores - WE'RE the ones you're insulting whenever you get the chance. Honestly it's mind boggling. Yet, sort of like a train wreck I must stop and watch. If you would read at all closely, you'd see that most of us dislike the things you dislike, but yet you get stroppy with us when we don't want to agree with EVERY single bad point you hammer home about America.

We know you dislike nationalism - hell, I think most of us do, to a point. But you somehow jumped the shark from disliking that to disliking Americans/America, because again, that's just 'how we are'. You did that on your own, without any help from me, Trompe or Bunny.

Nowhere did I imply that about your wife. She may well know how contemptible you find us and doesn't care. That's her choice.

I'm not seized by anything, thanks though for your concern. And if you want to talk going over the top - well Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle....

*edited for typo*

Edited June 17, 2010 by TracyTN

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

At the end of the day I want BP to be responsible for what they have done, whether they are British, American, Antartican, Martian, or whatever....the same of they were Exxon, Standord Oil, Shell....whoever! The damage they have done to human life and the environment is deplorable...the same with any company (I don't care where they are from!) that cuts costs to the detriment of human life and the environment

I find it interesting that you think the precious CEO of BP, Tony Hayward, is somehow beyond reproach and should be handles with kid globes because of his degree and years experience is curious, to say the least. Are corporations more important than democratically elected governments? Than the people whose livelihoods and way of life they destroy?