Serious Affidavit of Support questions! Help Please!

[trailmix 77]

All the above answers imply that she was receiving a W-2 for being a nanny and is not considered self-employed. The threshold for self employment is much much lower, not because of income tax but is self employment tax (which is social security tax). But I don't know if the USCIS cares about that, but the IRS does. My opinion, see a tax professional.

Sorry, above should say "not because of income tax but because OF self-employment tax"

See a tax professional to fill out the I-864?

I may be wrong but I think you are making this much more complicated than it needs to be.

Edited June 3, 2010 by trailmix

[ann and aties 9]

Sorry to not be clearer in my response. She is talking about writing a letter stating that she was not required to file a tax return. I'm not convinced that there was no filing requirement on her part. But I will state again. I have no idea if the USCIS cares. I just know that if she was self-employed, the IRS does care. So, advising her to look up filng thresholds as IF she had W-2 wages may not be the best advice. Full disclosure, I am a tax professional, but I no longer do individual returns, so I am NOT looking for business.

[theladynthetramp 0]

Sorry to not be clearer in my response. She is talking about writing a letter stating that she was not required to file a tax return. I'm not convinced that there was no filing requirement on her part. But I will state again. I have no idea if the USCIS cares. I just know that if she was self-employed, the IRS does care. So, advising her to look up filng thresholds as IF she had W-2 wages may not be the best advice. Full disclosure, I am a tax professional, but I no longer do individual returns, so I am NOT looking for business.

I am confused! because I know I don't have to file taxes. and is being a nanny considered self-employment?

[ann and aties 9]

Hi Lady, did you receive a W-2 from your employer?

[trailmix 77]

Sorry to not be clearer in my response. She is talking about writing a letter stating that she was not required to file a tax return. I'm not convinced that there was no filing requirement on her part. But I will state again. I have no idea if the USCIS cares. I just know that if she was self-employed, the IRS does care. So, advising her to look up filng thresholds as IF she had W-2 wages may not be the best advice. Full disclosure, I am a tax professional, but I no longer do individual returns, so I am NOT looking for business.

That's a good point, I see what you are saying. I would imagine that USCIS does care, or they would not request that you write a note stating why you were not required to file taxes.

So whether she is self employed or not is important here.

I have zero knowledge of how the IRS determines whether or not a person is self employed or not - more to it than receiving a W2 no doubt, however i'm going to drop out of this thread.

Lady, I suggest you call the IRS and give them the details, or, as ann and aties said, see a tax professional to determine what your tax situation should be. Good luck.

[theladynthetramp 0]

No, I dont have any W-2s. I guess the main question here is that could a head of a household who is self employed and didnt receive any W-2s not file taxes???

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[ann and aties 9]

Lady, you said:

"I guess the main question here is that could a head of a household who is self employed and didnt receive any W-2s not file taxes???"

Here is a link to an IRS website:

Note it says: To determine if you need to file a Federal Income Tax return for 2009 answer the following questions:

Do any of the following examples apply to you?

Were you self-employed with earnings of more than $400.00?

Here is the link for the whole thing: http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96623,00.html

The possible good news is, Lady, it is possible since you are head of household that you will qualify for an Earned Income Credit that can be applied against any self-employment tax. That is as much advice I can give you without possibly venturing into leading you down the wrong advice path. Either talk to a friend who does their taxes properly who is self employed or see a tax professional, please. Good luck!

[theladynthetramp 0]

thank you so much ann!

i read what u posted carefully n went on IRS site, and I htink i should just file my taxes as Independent Contractor (Self-employed) that way i wouldnt need W-2s because I never had 'em from babysitting. I can get exepmtions though from bein the head of a household (i have a qualifyin dependent child).

so would anyone tell me would i get the returns before or after i pay'em? n how long would it take?

what is the fastest way to get my returns? by filling up the tax form and send it or by e-filing it?