Save Israel

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The viability of acountry doesn't rest with how long ago it existed. 65 years ago, Israel didn't exist. 250 years ago America didn't exist. 2500 years ago Greece didn't exist. So how come all these countries get to exist but not Palestine? I hate you make this canned response but it's fitting here: Your eyes have been blinded by zionist charm.

Discount my questions as irrational rant or whatever else. But deep down I know you are yarning for freedom and justice for Palestine. You are just not at liberty to let that out. You're undoubtably being forced by your society to maintain your support for terrorism. You fail to see Israel kills more Palestinians each year directly than Palestinians have over the last 20 years. How can you support such things? How? Only because you're being "convinced" to do so. But how long will you keep lying to yourself?

I understand your opinion to a degree, but the ability to have a viable "Palestine" was in the hands of Palestinian's and their Arab neighbors. Poor leadership, being sold down a river by fellow Muslim's using average Palestinian's to allege how evil Israel is have as much or more to do with today's lack of a Palestine as anything else.

Israel kills more Palestinian's because they have far greater access to modern weapons, and much like the USA are highly skilled in their use.

There is no doubt Israel has done more than a few wrongs in a protracted and horrible situation, but it is you has been fooled by anti-Zionist rhetoric if you think Palestinians and their fellow Arabs are innocent victims. Palestinians have indeed been victimized by their own leadership.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Who here is aware of the terrorist acts done in the name of creating a Jewish state, the colonialism involved in forming the modern Middle East, or how or why Israel was created in the first place? It's not pretty, except in revisionist history. There are no real heroes there.

There may not be any true heroes on either side. That much is true.

Edited June 4, 2010 by ready4ONE

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

The Jews are Gods chosen people. The Palestinians are not.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The Jews are Gods chosen people. The Palestinians are not.

Lovely.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

The Jews are Gods chosen people. The Palestinians are not.

Lovely.

While that statement was designed to stir the pot you cannot ignore the religious aspects of this topic. Whether you believe or not it still is a huge factor and must be recognised.

[sandinista! 1,816]

If your going to post something like this can you at least elaborate?

she should have to? one would hope that anyone attempting to discuss the topic here would at least have some background knowledge. what she's talking about is pretty rudimentary in re. to this conflict.

but for those who need it spelled out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

i realize that a good number of posters in this thread don't recognize arabs as even being human beings to begin with, but even in that case, the bombing of the king david hotel, which killed several british nurses and secretaries is of note.

[sandinista! 1,816]

While that statement was designed to stir the pot you cannot ignore the religious aspects of this topic. Whether you believe or not it still is a huge factor and must be recognised.

anyone that considers that a factor has quite firmly parked themselves in tinfoil hat wearing crazyville. it's about as valid a contribution as monkeys smearing their own feces on the walls of their pen at the zoo.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

anyone that considers that a factor has quite firmly parked themselves in tinfoil hat wearing crazyville. it's about as valid a contribution as monkeys smearing their own feces on the walls of their pen at the zoo.

So you would ignore the 2000 years of religious significance of the area? Then you don't really have even a small grasp of the problem.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Why do the Arabs fear the Israelis so much? They are a large area and surround them pretty much. The bible shows they have been on that land and history shows they have more title to it then the Koran and Arab religion says they do. If the Arabs are so dead set against the Jews (And it is Jews they hate so much and not Israel per se) then go and take them out. Oh wait they have tried numerous times and they keep failing. LOL. The Palestinians voted into office a group that has as their mandate to destroy Israel. They kept sending rockets and bombs to kill innocent Jews. The Jews fight back and get condemned. Some group throws rockets and bombs and kills my fellow citizens and they are toast. Bravo Israel for sticking up for yourselves and keep smacking the aggressors down like they deserve.

Maybe because the Romans destroyed the second temple, kicked them off the land 1960 years ago, and they didn't return in mass until post WWII? It's not like they were the original people to settle in the region either, or that they were ever able to keep it for very long once they did. The Babylonians destroyed the first temple, along with the Ark of the Covenant, slaughtered the Kingdom of Israel, and took the Kingdom of Judah as captives. Later on, the Babylonians rebuilt the temple, and allowed what was left of the Hebrews to resettle in Palestine.

ETA: Added bold.

Edited June 4, 2010 by ##########

[Yoink 7]

the irgun did bomb the king david hotel.... after they called in the bomb threat to evacuate the building...

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So you would ignore the 2000 years of religious significance of the area? Then you don't really have even a small grasp of the problem.

Religion has a lot less to do with the conflict than racism and anti-Semitism on the part of the European forces involved in creating the boundaries and nations in the modern Middle East. If you don't know how the region (not just Israel) was created, by whom, when and why, you're missing too much information to discuss the issue with more than revisionist rhetoric. I wrote my thesis and dissertation about how it was created. Being Palestinian, I wanted to know. I was shocked and surprised at what I learned in contrast to what we are told. Check it out, you'll be shocked, too.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Religion has a lot less to do with the conflict than racism and anti-Semitism on the part of the European forces involved in creating the boundaries and nations in the modern Middle East. If you don't know how the region (not just Israel) was created, by whom, when and why, you're missing too much information to discuss the issue with more than revisionist rhetoric. I wrote my thesis and dissertation about how it was created. Being Palestinian, I wanted to know. I was shocked and surprised at what I learned in contrast to what we are told. Check it out, you'll be shocked, too.

I am familure with the history of the area. I was just pointing out that 3 religions claim the area as holy ground and to ignore that gives a very incomplete picture.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Why do the Arabs fear the Israelis so much? They are a large area and surround them pretty much. The bible shows they have been on that land and history shows they have more title to it then the Koran and Arab religion says they do. If the Arabs are so dead set against the Jews (And it is Jews they hate so much and not Israel per se) then go and take them out. Oh wait they have tried numerous times and they keep failing. LOL. The Palestinians voted into office a group that has as their mandate to destroy Israel. They kept sending rockets and bombs to kill innocent Jews. The Jews fight back and get condemned. Some group throws rockets and bombs and kills my fellow citizens and they are toast. Bravo Israel for sticking up for yourselves and keep smacking the aggressors down like they deserve.

Well said.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Even if you use the Bible as a history book, a dubious proposition at best, it shows that the Jews were not alone in occupying the land, that they weren't it's heroes, and that the theme of the NT is that Jews will go to hell because God favors Christians.

Edited June 4, 2010 by Sofiyya

[Peikko 1,575]

Even if you use the Bible as a history book, a dubious proposition at best, it shows that the Jews were not alone in occupying the land, that they weren't it's heroes, and that the theme of the NT is that Jews will go to hell because God favors Christians.

Not that I care what the bible does and doesn't say, but really, it definitely does not say that, or anything like it. What a bizarre thing to iterate from someone allegedly so learned.