At least 10 activists dead, dozens hurt in flotilla clashes

[sandinista! 1,816]

Why don't you place any blame on Hamas for the plight of Gaza?

do you want to place all chinese people on a "diet" and blockade their fuel supplies, food and medicine because of their sh!tty government too?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

in cuckoo, israel is the perpetual victim no matter what shite they pull, fantasyland it isn't. some deputy foreign minister in israel even pulled the al qaeda card from his #######, claiming they were somehow involved with the flotilla.

Apparently there were people on the vessel with connections to terrorism.

Sandinista, Israel isn't the victim but why should it receive 96% of the blame for gaza?

do you want to place all chinese people on a "diet" and blockade their fuel supplies, food and medicine because of their sh!tty government too?

Is that not what is happening to North Korea right now? Is South Korea to be blamed for North Korea starving its people?

Edited June 1, 2010 by Sousuke

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why don't you place any blame on Hamas for the plight of Gaza?

That's a pretty naive comment.

I think it's interesting that you're going all out to make loaded comments assuming the opinions of others based on very little. Or indeed why criticising Israel for this incident should be deferred or sidelined by making reference to a completely different incident.

I don't support Hamas, I don't support terrorism - but there is something to be said for sticking up for impoverished peoples who can't stand up for themselves. George Bush is arguably responsible for the election of Hamas by pushing for free elections against Israels advice; and Israel is responsible in it's way for contributing to the conditions that turn people to Hamas. Bombing Yasser Arafats compound sure worked out well for the situation, didn't it...

[sandinista! 1,816]

collective punishment of innocent civilians is always 100% morally wrong and wretched, no matter how much one despises their government and everything they stand for. Would you have supported a similar blockade of israeli settlers at the height of zionist terrorism, when they were bombing the king david hotel and blowing up arab marketplaces and post offices?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

collective punishment of innocent civilians is always 100% morally wrong and wretched, no matter how much one despises their government and everything they stand for. Would you have supported a similar blockade of israeli settlers at the height of zionist terrorism, when they were bombing the king david hotel and blowing up arab marketplaces and post offices?

Indeed.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I think it's interesting that you're going all out to make loaded comments assuming the opinions of others based on very little. Or indeed why criticising Israel for this incident should be deferred or sidelined by making reference to a completely different incident.

I don't support Hamas, I don't support terrorism - but there is something to be said for sticking up for impoverished peoples who can't stand up for themselves. George Bush is arguably responsible for the election of Hamas by pushing for free elections against Israels advice; and Israel is responsible in it's way for contributing to the conditions that turn people to Hamas. Bombing Yasser Arafats compound sure worked out well for the situation, didn't it...

I actually don't understand this comment.

collective punishment of innocent civilians is always 100% morally wrong and wretched, no matter how much one despises their government and everything they stand for. Would you have supported a similar blockade of israeli settlers at the height of zionist terrorism, when they were bombing the king david hotel and blowing up arab marketplaces and post offices?

In so much as the US cutting funds/supplies to Israel sure.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's perfectly clear. We're talking about the incident with the ships and you're trying to find something suspicious in the fact that noone is talking about Hamas.

So what.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

It's perfectly clear. We're talking about the incident with the ships and you're trying to find something suspicious in the fact that noone is talking about Hamas.

So what.

Well isn't it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Apparently there were people on the vessel with connections to terrorism.

Sandinista, Israel isn't the victim but why should it receive 96% of the blame for gaza?

Is that not what is happening to North Korea right now? Is South Korea to be blamed for North Korea starving its people?

that is not what i asked you. i asked if the us could do the same thing to china, because of their govt.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

No.

So you don't care that Hamas attacked Israeli towns in response to the incident? And you think its unrelated. And you think it isn't important. Even though No Hamas=No Blockade

that is not what i asked you. i asked if the us could do the same thing to china, because of their govt.

No its an impossibility. China has too many resources.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you don't care that Hamas attacked Israeli towns in response to the incident? And you think its unrelated. And you think it isn't important. Even though No Hamas=No Blockade

Whatever you think that chain of reasoning is, it isn't deductive reasoning.

Youre spoiling for an argument as people frequently do when it comes to the topic of Israel and the Palestinian territories.

[sandinista! 1,816]

I actually don't understand this comment.

In so much as the US cutting funds/supplies to Israel sure.

again, not what i asked you. i'm not talking about the us cutting funds and supplies. i am talking about establishing an armed blockade, where ships would be boarded in international waters to prevent food and building supplies from getting through, and no one would have access to fuel to heat their homes in the winter or or to fill their car so they can drive their child to ER in the middle of the night if they have trouble breathing. (though not much could be done at said hospital, because aside from some tylenol not much else in the way of medical supplies is allowed in by the blockade). would you be behind that then?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Whatever you think that chain of reasoning is, it isn't deductive reasoning.

Youre spoiling for an argument as people frequently do when it comes to the topic of Israel and the Palestinian territories.

How about you discuss the topic instead of telling me what I'm thinking all the time?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How about you discuss the topic instead of telling me what I'm thinking all the time?

Strangely that's what I was thinking. Perhaps you should hold yourself to the same standard you're demanding that I comply with.