Muslim Center on Ground Zero APPROVED By Board.

[Peikko 1,575]

I understand Paul actually. In the end the mosque should be allowed to go there but I get Paul on this.

The area is like a memorial. Now lets say your daughter is killed by a member of GreenPeace. Greenpeace may not have anything to do with the situation but you might be a little upset if Greenpeace puts flowers on her grave with the greenpeace logo.

You would be misguided in your attribution of blame in both instances.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You are talking rubbish, presumably because it supports your very misguided view of the world. Terrorists are terrorists and it really does not matter one iota which religion they purport to belong to, or indeed whether they purport to belong to any religion at all. A mosque is perfectly acceptable anywhere, not least close to ground zero.

I'm talking about how people feel and the insensitivity to the families. It's not rubbish at all. It's how people feel.

Terrorists might be terrorists, but when the vast majority are of one group, it kind of doesn't reflect well of the rest of the group either. Especially when it's used as a reasoning behind the action and praise is called to whatever "god" that religion has when the acts are carried out.

I'm simply stating that a group of muslims took part in these acts. Now a Muslim Center is being built there with the intent of opening on 9/11/11 and you don't call that insensitive?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You would be misguided in your attribution of blame in both instances.

Its not blame per say, but its a reminder of the event.

[Peikko 1,575]

Its not blame per say, but its a reminder of the event.

Yes, it is a reminder but only because the person in the example, or in real life is attributing responsibility for an action in a blanket fashion on Greenpeace or Muslims which can't be condoned nor should it influence broader decisions on whether or not a mosque can be located in the vicinity, particularly if there were Muslims killed in the twin towers, which is not that unlikely.

[sandinista! 1,816]

it's two blocks away. two NYC blocks. it's not AT ground zero, like people keep insinuating. there are businesses in this area, etc. if someone buys a turkey sandwich from a deli two blocks away, are they being insensitive to what happened at ground zero? like, #######, how can someone think about food when they are two blocks away from where the world trade center was? get real. available real estate in manhattan is not an infinite resource. the building suits their needs, is a price they can afford, and they're well within their rights to establish their center there. anyone and everyone but the most backward of bigoted troglodytes can grasp this concept. for a reasonable, rational person, there is no legitimate debate here, whatsoever. regardless of what certain people's feelings are, as stated in the article, there is no reason for rational, reasonable people to legitimize those feelings. if my child were murdered by someone of another ethnicity, religion, etc. there would still be nothing rational about me holding that crime against an entire group of people who had nothing to do with it.

[Nik+Heather 121]

I noticed the same thing as Sandista. They aren't building it on ground zero. They are proposing it in a building, which is still there, two blocks away. You probably can't even get a line of sight between the two.

So, is there some kind of radius from ground zero proposed?

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

I'm talking about how people feel and the insensitivity to the families. It's not rubbish at all. It's how people feel.

Terrorists might be terrorists, but when the vast majority are of one group, it kind of doesn't reflect well of the rest of the group either. Especially when it's used as a reasoning behind the action and praise is called to whatever "god" that religion has when the acts are carried out.

I'm simply stating that a group of muslims took part in these acts. Now a Muslim Center is being built there with the intent of opening on 9/11/11 and you don't call that insensitive?

Why don't you just man up and admit the truth. You hate Muslims because you believe that they are all terrorists, you don't know anything about the religion but you have all the answers. You are the most puerile and twisted answer to a question that no one asked. You use the term "god" in lowercase because they are not like us, since the good, white Christian GOD would never be used to incite violence or hatred. Their "god" can't be our GOD. That's what you believe; stand up for once in your life. If that's what you believe, that's what you believe. The Third Reich was the putative heir to the Holy Roman Empire so that must mean that all Christians are violent murderers, using your logic. You deal in smatterings of half-truths or outright mendacities that is your currency in trade. Engaging in sweeping and misleading generalizations, oblivious to the facts, does little more than inflame passions and foment hatred and ignorance. You always speak from a postion of ignorance, and try to use bluster and bloviation to hide the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. Puerto Ricans speak Spanish, so they can't be Americans. Excuse me if I'm less than enthused by your opinions on sensitivity, I don't listen to Texans who have mastered the art of rectal discourse.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Yes, it is a reminder but only because the person in the example, or in real life is attributing responsibility for an action in a blanket fashion on Greenpeace or Muslims which can't be condoned nor should it influence broader decisions on whether or not a mosque can be located in the vicinity, particularly if there were Muslims killed in the twin towers, which is not that unlikely.

Its just the way the human mind works. Look at PTSD. Of course the mosque shouldn't be banned, and frankly it is far from the site. But I would definitely say people need to step back from labeling a person a bigot simply for suggesting that placing a mosque near the memorial might be seen as insensitive to the victims.

[DanielParul 50]

Here we go being politically correct again. Burying heads in the sand does not change the fact that most terrorists belong to one specific group. If those who are not are so sensitive about being treated like a terrorist then they need to stop supporting the ones that are terrorists. Until then, thats where we get stereotypes from.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Here we go being politically correct again. Burying heads in the sand does not change the fact that most terrorists belong to one specific group. If those who are not are so sensitive about being treated like a terrorist then they need to stop supporting the ones that are terrorists. Until then, thats where we get stereotypes from.

We are all individuals with our own choices. Why should an American law abiding muslim automatically be responsible for policing islamic terrorism?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Why don't you just man up and admit the truth. You hate Muslims because you believe that they are all terrorists, you don't know anything about the religion but you have all the answers. You are the most puerile and twisted answer to a question that no one asked. You use the term "god" in lowercase because they are not like us, since the good, white Christian GOD would never be used to incite violence or hatred. Their "god" can't be our GOD. That's what you believe; stand up for once in your life. If that's what you believe, that's what you believe. The Third Reich was the putative heir to the Holy Roman Empire so that must mean that all Christians are violent murderers, using your logic. You deal in smatterings of half-truths or outright mendacities that is your currency in trade. Engaging in sweeping and misleading generalizations, oblivious to the facts, does little more than inflame passions and foment hatred and ignorance. You always speak from a postion of ignorance, and try to use bluster and bloviation to hide the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. Puerto Ricans speak Spanish, so they can't be Americans. Excuse me if I'm less than enthused by your opinions on sensitivity, I don't listen to Texans who have mastered the art of rectal discourse.

this from a guy who feels the need to chase me around different threads and throw around insults?

Please.

Just because you're close minded to the 'real' world, doesn't mean everyone else is.

If you can't handle the truth, don't jump in the snake pit.

I don't give a rats ####### about god, God, GOD, g0d, or however else you want to put it out there. Personally i think all religious zealots are closed minded idiots who don't have a dose of reality.

All I've said in this thread is how it's insensitive to the victims. All I've said is that the majority of modern day terrorists come from one religious group. Both are pretty damned evident, but instead of actually paying attention to what I'm saying all you want to do is come in here and spill your bullshit and flame all over me.

[Peikko 1,575]

Its just the way the human mind works. Look at PTSD. Of course the mosque shouldn't be banned, and frankly it is far from the site. But I would definitely say people need to step back from labeling a person a bigot simply for suggesting that placing a mosque near the memorial might be seen as insensitive to the victims.

No, people should step forward and label them as they deserve to be labeled, if labeling is the issue, which quite frankly it is not.

If we allow people to fudge the issue over what is and isn't representative of the terrorists, then the result will be bigotry and as is taking place, attempts to ban a perfectly legitimate place of worship. That is unamerican.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

No, people should step forward and label them as they deserve to be labeled, if labeling is the issue, which quite frankly it is not.

If we allow people to fudge the issue over what is and isn't representative of the terrorists, then the result will be bigotry and as is taking place, attempts to ban a perfectly legitimate place of worship. That is unamerican.

I'll agree with you on that.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

C. Lee Hanson, 77, whose son Peter was killed in the attacks, said he opposed the center not because he was intolerant, but because he believed that building a tribute to Islam so close to the World Trade Center would be insensitive.

“The pain never goes away,” Mr. Hanson said. “When I look over there and I see a mosque, it’s going to hurt. Build it someplace else.”

I can understand this sentiment.

[Peikko 1,575]

this from a guy who feels the need to chase me around different threads and throw around insults?

Please.

Just because you're close minded to the 'real' world, doesn't mean everyone else is.

If you can't handle the truth, don't jump in the snake pit.

I don't give a rats ####### about god, God, GOD, g0d, or however else you want to put it out there. Personally i think all religious zealots are closed minded idiots who don't have a dose of reality.

All I've said in this thread is how it's insensitive to the victims. All I've said is that the majority of modern day terrorists come from one religious group. Both are pretty damned evident, but instead of actually paying attention to what I'm saying all you want to do is come in here and spill your bullshit and flame all over me.

The point is, why is it that you associate terrorism with a specific religion? The reality is, it does not matter what terrorist claim to believe UNLESS what they claim to believe is representative of the tennets of the religion (or whatever group they claim to belong to) that they purport to adhere to. If it is not (WHICH FOR CLARITY IT IS NOT) their claims to belonging to a particular religious group or no religious group are completely irrelevant in terms of how one should behave towards other members of that religious group.

Should we blame all Catholics for the activities of the IRA? Should we blame all christians for those who go out and murder doctors who perform abortions? That's mindless.