ICE May Ignore And Not Accept Illegal Immigrants For Processing From Arizona...

[Peikko 1,575]

did anyone really expect this administration to instruct ICE to perform its job ?

As apposed to the previous administration who clearly had everything under control :rofl: I think you need to look a bit further to understand what is responsible for the 'failures'.

[natty bumppo 297]

As apposed to the previous administration who clearly had everything under control :rofl: I think you need to look a bit further to understand what is responsible for the 'failures'.

did i say that?

epic fail ..... mc

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

the excellent job done by our government in controlling illegals will be performed by the same government that is controlling health care.

[lostinblue 1,989]

We can send them to sheriff Joe until they are processed by ICE.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Personally, I like it.

The Fed isn't going to get involved in Arizona bringing in it's "suspects" because sooner or later some of them are going to be naturalized citizens or asylees or some other sort of legal brown/yellow/red person who can't prove it to the zealots in Arizona.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Remember, the guys on the ground are doing the best they can with the tools they've been given.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Sousuke

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Personally, I like it.

The Fed isn't going to get involved in Arizona bringing in it's "suspects" because sooner or later some of them are going to be naturalized citizens or asylees or some other sort of legal brown/yellow/red person who can't prove it to the zealots in Arizona.

You really can't be this damned ignorant....

[Pooky 3,783]

As apposed to the previous administration who clearly had everything under control :rofl: I think you need to look a bit further to understand what is responsible for the 'failures'.

Rather epic fail there, MC.

This has never been about party politics. With the backing of 70% of the American electorate, I think that's not even worth questioning.

This is about getting the Federal government, whichever colour it happens to be, blue or red, to enforce the Federal immigration laws we have now, not pander to the assorted vested interests out there and push for comprehensive immigration amnesty, sorry, "reform".

BushBaby tried it in 2007 and the public outcry stopped it dead. Amnesty, sorry, "reform" is even less popular now, so let's hope the present administration's proposal meets a similar end and that the weight of public opinion finally gets the right result from the Federal authorities - comprehensive resourcing and enforcement of the immigration laws we have.

[peejay 327]

What has that got to do with your assertion that it's some kind of conspiracy? It's that that I find amusing, that you want to suggest ICE is treasonous.

Carnage, that's a bit rich too, but I expect no less than hyperbole on this issue from some people.

Aiding and abetting foreign criminals to break our laws? And it ain't ICE I'm referring to.

ICE is doing what it is told not to do.

Edited May 21, 2010 by peejay

[Peikko 1,575]

Rather epic fail there, MC.

This has never been about party politics. With the backing of 70% of the American electorate, I think that's not even worth questioning.

This is about getting the Federal government, whichever colour it happens to be, blue or red, to enforce the Federal immigration laws we have now, not pander to the assorted vested interests out there and push for comprehensive immigration amnesty, sorry, "reform".

BushBaby tried it in 2007 and the public outcry stopped it dead. Amnesty, sorry, "reform" is even less popular now, so let's hope the present administration's proposal meets a similar end and that the weight of public opinion finally gets the right result from the Federal authorities - comprehensive resourcing and enforcement of the immigration laws we have.

I'm not the one that thinks it is. Perhaps you should read the thread again?

Edited May 21, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Peikko 1,575]

I think you'll find that mostly what stops things from changing is the reality that removal of undocumented immigrants is shatteringly expensive, and no government NOT ANY OF THEM can or will afford to enforce the immigration laws already in force beyond removing anyone who comes onto the radar by committing other criminal offenses, not just misdemeanors.. The only cost effective and workable solution is to enforce employment laws.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Pooky 3,783]

I'm not the one that thinks it is. Perhaps you should read the thread again?

My comprehension is just fine.

This administration is trying everything it can to derail Arizona's law without having to go to court because they fear that they will not get the result they seek from the Supreme Court. Given the reasoning behind AZ going this route, I think there's a good chance they'd have done the same if a Republican administration had failed them in the same way. Sure, you can read party politics into it, by kicking around the theory that the present administration doesn't want to lose the support of the Latino community in November, but the main problem is Washington itself.

Congress and the White House have been hopelessly out of touch on this issue for way too long. Personally I have never advocated targeting the illegal immigrants themselves. Getting after the employers to make it financially untenable to employ illegals is the only way to make this work. Remove the demand and the supply will remove itself.

The mistake some people make is by thinking we have to "Do Something! Right Now!" regarding the illegal immigrants themselves. We don't. By drying up the sources of employment, by enforcing citizens/legal residents only hiring checks, by refusing to dole out temporary work visas and drivers licences, just to tide illegal immigrants over until they can be processed, by removing any means for illegal immigrants to earn money, they will return home without the American government needing to forcibly deport 12-20 million people. And if any illegals are caught up when companies are targeted, then yes, they should feel the weight of US immigration law and be put on a bus.

The main thing is that we don't need to resolve the fate of 12-20 million illegal immigrants overnight. Enforce the employment policy and they will leave of their own accord. It might take 10 years, but we have time.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

My comprehension is just fine.

This administration is trying everything it can to derail Arizona's law without having to go to court because they fear that they will not get the result they seek from the Supreme Court. Given the reasoning behind AZ going this route, I think there's a good chance they'd have done the same if a Republican administration had failed them in the same way. Sure, you can read party politics into it, by kicking around the theory that the present administration doesn't want to lose the support of the Latino community in November, but the main problem is Washington itself.

Congress and the White House have been hopelessly out of touch on this issue for way too long. Personally I have never advocated targeting the illegal immigrants themselves. Getting after the employers to make it financially untenable to employ illegals is the only way to make this work. Remove the demand and the supply will remove itself.

The mistake some people make is by thinking we have to "Do Something! Right Now!" regarding the illegal immigrants themselves. We don't. By drying up the sources of employment, by enforcing citizens/legal residents only hiring checks, by refusing to dole out temporary work visas and drivers licences, just to tide illegal immigrants over until they can be processed, by removing any means for illegal immigrants to earn money, they will return home without the American government needing to forcibly deport 12-20 million people. And if any illegals are caught up when companies are targeted, then yes, they should feel the weight of US immigration law and be put on a bus.

The main thing is that we don't need to resolve the fate of 12-20 million illegal immigrants overnight. Enforce the employment policy and they will leave of their own accord. It might take 10 years, but we have time.

And could easily be self funded! Where as the amnesty plan will cost 1 billion.

[Pooky 3,783]

And could easily be self funded! Where as the amnesty plan will cost 1 billion.

$1 billion which will not be forthcoming for enforcement should this administration's immigration "amnesty" proposal fail.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Where as this place: http://www.vsattui.com/ probably has 100 illegal employees at least.... at 10,000 a pop thats a fine of what? 1 million. That would pay for 5 ICE officials + overhead for a year.