Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The problem is that illegal aliens are not going through the process. They do not have a constitutional right to illegally immigrate. You use lies and scare tactics to cheerlead for illegal aliens by insinuating that legal immigrants and US citizens should be fearful.

You are against any kind of immigration or workplace enforcement whether it comes from the state or federal level. All of your posting history reflects this. Who are you trying to kid? The writing is on the wall for all to see.

If you are going to accuse someone of lying you have to point the lie out.

[peejay 327]

If you are going to accuse someone of lying you have to point the lie out.

That inquiring about someone's status is racial profiling? I have lived in a US border state for 54 years. I have passed through immigration checkpoints numerous times. The Border Patrol asks if you are a US citizen. You answer them. Your answer determines whether you receive further scrutiny. It has been that way for decades even before this AZ law was even conceived. What does that have to do with race? It has to do with the appearance of being a foreigner. Any person whether they are Hispanic or Russian will get scrutiny.

I know foreigners other than Hispanics that have gotten scrutinized at border checkpoints. My Russian born friend's Russian girlfriend was detained because she did not have her passport and student visa with her. He had no problem because he had his green card with him. She eventually straightened out the mess. Fact is...when you travel or live in a border area such as AZ you should follow the law. I always carry proper ID and can easily prove my status as a US citizen. My foreign born US citizen wife and green card holding step daughter can too. My step daughter's Ukrainian born US citizen boyfriend and her regularly travel to Mexico on business without problem.

This is not the civil rights and constitutional rights violation the Left makes it out to be. When you live in an illegal alien smuggling hot zone in a border state you should always be prepared because it is a high crime area where law enforcement is present. It has nothing to do with civil rights or the constitution. It is a law enforcement issue. If you have laws against illegal immigration...you have mechanisms to enforce the law. The AZ law just mirrors what the feds have been doing for decades and local cops have been doing under 287(g) since 1996.

Edited May 20, 2010 by peejay

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That inquiring about someone's status is racial profiling? I have lived in a US border state for 54 years. I have passed through immigration checkpoints numerous times. The Border Patrol asks if you are a US citizen. You answer them. Your answer determines whether you receive further scrutiny. It has been that way for decades even before this AZ law was even conceived. What does that have to do with race? It has to do with the appearance of being a foreigner. Any person whether they are Hispanic or Russian will get scrutiny.

I know foreigners other than Hispanics that have gotten scrutinized at border checkpoints. My Russian born friend's Russian girlfriend was detained because she did not have her passport and student visa with her. He had no problem because he had his green card with him. She eventually straightened out the mess. Fact is...when you travel or live in a border area such as AZ you should follow the law. I always carry proper ID and can easily prove my status as a US citizen. My foreign born US citizen wife and green card holding step daughter can too. My step daughter's Ukrainian born US citizen boyfriend and her regularly travel to Mexico on business without problem.

This is not the civil rights and constitutional rights violation the Left makes it out to be. When you live in an illegal alien smuggling hot zone in a border state you should always be prepared because it is a high crime area where law enforcement is present. It has nothing to do with civil rights or the constitution. It is a law enforcement issue. If you have laws against illegal immigration...you have mechanisms to enforce the law. The AZ law just mirrors what the feds have been doing for decades and local cops have been doing under 287(g) since 1996.

Very Good! You have pointed out how the Feds do it. They scrutinize everyone! And that's how the AZ law will have to be enforced, or not at all. If they advertised the AZ law like this, I doubt its support would be as high.

Edited May 20, 2010 by Sousuke

[Pooky 3,784]

Our constitutional rights and protections aren't measured by mob rule. Thankfully, the Founders of this country understood the importance of protecting the rights of the minority.

No, they're protected by a representative democracy which, in this case, appears to be doing everything in its power not to represent the overwhelming majority of the people it is supposed to represent. Instead, it seems hell-bent on representing foreign citizens here illegally at the expense of its own citizens.

And that is wrong.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That inquiring about someone's status is racial profiling? I have lived in a US border state for 54 years. I have passed through immigration checkpoints numerous times. The Border Patrol asks if you are a US citizen. You answer them. Your answer determines whether you receive further scrutiny. It has been that way for decades even before this AZ law was even conceived. What does that have to do with race? It has to do with the appearance of being a foreigner. Any person whether they are Hispanic or Russian will get scrutiny.

I know foreigners other than Hispanics that have gotten scrutinized at border checkpoints. My Russian born friend's Russian girlfriend was detained because she did not have her passport and student visa with her. He had no problem because he had his green card with him. She eventually straightened out the mess. Fact is...when you travel or live in a border area such as AZ you should follow the law. I always carry proper ID and can easily prove my status as a US citizen. My foreign born US citizen wife and green card holding step daughter can too. My step daughter's Ukrainian born US citizen boyfriend and her regularly travel to Mexico on business without problem.

This is not the civil rights and constitutional rights violation the Left makes it out to be. When you live in an illegal alien smuggling hot zone in a border state you should always be prepared because it is a high crime area where law enforcement is present. It has nothing to do with civil rights or the constitution. It is a law enforcement issue. If you have laws against illegal immigration...you have mechanisms to enforce the law. The AZ law just mirrors what the feds have been doing for decades and local cops have been doing under 287(g) since 1996.

By the way I still don't see the lie there. Asking someone's status itself is not racial profiling, I don't think anyone has said this.

No, they're protected by a representative democracy which, in this case, appears to be doing everything in its power not to represent the overwhelming majority of the people it is supposed to represent. Instead, it seems hell-bent on representing foreign citizens here illegally at the expense of its own citizens.

And that is wrong.

Correct! (if you are refering to Congress and the Whitehouse's inaction)

Edited May 20, 2010 by Sousuke

[peejay 327]

Very Good! You have pointed out how the Feds do it. They scrutinize everyone! And that's how the AZ law will have to be enforced, or not at all. If they advertised the AZ law like this, I doubt its support would be as high.

It was kind of rude of me to accuse someone of lying. I should have stated that it was deception through omission. Politicians from the president on down and in both parties do this to propagandize public opinion.

People also need to realize that constitutionality is in the eye of the beholder. That is why the choice of judges is so important. Many judges both from the Left and Right legislate from the bench.

So far I have not seen anyone from either side determine that this law is unconstitutional. There has not been a ruling.

[KaiserD 12]

By the way I still don't see the lie there. Asking someone's status itself is not racial profiling, I don't think anyone has said this.

The problem I see with this law that in the eyes of many Americans there is an automatic assumption of Mexican = illegal immigrant. I can get stopped by the police for whatever reason, be very polite, show my ID and be on my way but if I were of Mexican heritage but a USC, do you think I might get stopped just the once by an honest misunderstanding?

Honestly, if I was getting stopped by the police every 5 mins just because I looked Mexican, I think I would get resentful pretty quick and inciting racial tensions is the last thing we all need. Residents and USCs alike. If they can truly enforce this indiscriminately across the board though it should be a success. The British will be envious that at least somebody is doing something about illegal immigration.

I can only assume that many who support the Arizona rules are not at all racist. Those who wouldn't judge people just by how they look, who are only concerned with getting rid of the people that don't belong here and protecting the people who do (whoever they are). Unfortunately, it's not like we don't have people shouting "go back where you came from!", who look upon most if not all Mexicans with disgust. I doubt that number is insignificant where you have places like Georgia whos Grady system (health services for the poor) is blatantly overwhelmed by a Mexican heritaged population and many of the locals of other ethnicities feel resentful when they struggle to get by/get the help they need.

It was kind of rude of me to accuse someone of lying. I should have stated that it was deception through omission. Politicians from the president on down and in both parties do this to propagandize public opinion.

For the part I find questionable about the Arizona efforts, you can bet your money that at the same time there is definitely an effort for some politicians here to connect/pander with what they hope will be future voters. I consider myself a democrat I suppose, but the truth is the truth and ulterior motives here, there are.

[DukeOfYork 28]

The problem I see with this law that in the eyes of many Americans there is an automatic assumption of Mexican = illegal immigrant.

This is a problem, but it's understandable. The large majority of illegal immigrants are of Mexican and/or Central American descent. It's unfortunate that people think Mexican = illegal, but that's the reality we face right now. If it weren't a problem, then Barry Hussein Obama wouldn't have made a joke about it at the White House Press dinner a few weeks back and said "Adios amigos..." He did what precisely what he has accused Arizonans of doing: unfairly profiling or discriminating against a group of people.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This is a problem, but it's understandable. The large majority of illegal immigrants are of Mexican and/or Central American descent. It's unfortunate that people think Mexican = illegal, but that's the reality we face right now. If it weren't a problem, then Barry Hussein Obama wouldn't have made a joke about it at the White House Press dinner a few weeks back and said "Adios amigos..." He did what precisely what he has accused Arizonans of doing: unfairly profiling or discriminating against a group of people.

The main reason why people equate Mexican with illegal is because that's what the racist left does.. All this catterwalling about police harassing people because of what they look like by illegal lovers directly infers that all illegals look like Mexicans and all Mexicans look alike. The argument against immigration enforcement frames the issue as prejudice against Mexicans. I don't see the right defining the debate in racial terms as much as the left does, going for the "guilt feelings" angle, as usual.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The main reason why people equate Mexican with illegal is because that's what the racist left does.. All this catterwalling about police harassing people because of what they look like by illegal lovers directly infers that all illegals look like Mexicans and all Mexicans look alike. The argument against immigration enforcement frames the issue as prejudice against Mexicans. I don't see the right defining the debate in racial terms as much as the left does, going for the "guilt feelings" angle, as usual.

Yep, they set the standard. Obama pulled the trigger! An EPIC fvcking FAIL!

[DukeOfYork 28]

The argument against immigration enforcement frames the issue as prejudice against Mexicans. I don't see the right defining the debate in racial terms as much as the left does, going for the "guilt feelings" angle, as usual.

I agree. Yet framing the debate in racial terms is a tactic that works for the Left and so they continue to exploit it.

Take for instance the Tea Party Movement. That movement has nothing to do with racism or "Nazism", yet the Left frames the "Teabaggers" as racists and hicks, even though there is no evidence actually pointing to that. What happens? Everyone thinks Tea Partiers are racists and hicks.

I am continually amazed that the Left in this country isn't actually for stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. After all, it's the evil businesses that employ people here illegally and make them work in conditions that are against labor laws. The illegal immigrant has no recourse because once they complain, they get found out.

I've said it once in this thread, and I'll say it again: The illegal immigration issue is one of human rights. If we ignore the human rights violations that go on with illegal human trafficking and illegal work conditions, we are condoning the continual violation of human rights in this country.

But the Left won't argue that point. Why? The cynic in me says it's because they are going toward their base. Showing that you're for the downtrodden while not doing a damn thing for them = votes.

Edited May 20, 2010 by DukeOfYork

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I agree. Yet framing the debate in racial terms is a tactic that works for the Left and so they continue to exploit it.

Take for instance the Tea Party Movement. That movement has nothing to do with racism or "Nazism", yet the Left frames the "Teabaggers" as racists and hicks, even though there is no evidence actually pointing to that. What happens? Everyone thinks Tea Partiers are racists and hicks.

I am continually amazed that the Left in this country isn't actually for stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. After all, it's the evil businesses that employ people here illegally and make them work in conditions that are against labor laws. The illegal immigrant has no recourse because once they complain, they get found out.

I've said it once in this thread, and I'll say it again: The illegal immigration issue is one of human rights. If we ignore the human rights violations that go on with illegal human trafficking and illegal work conditions, we are condoning the continual violation of human rights in this country.

But the Left won't argue that point. Why? The cynic in me says it's because they are going toward their base. Showing that you're for the downtrodden while not doing a damn thing for them = votes.

It might be a lil DESPERATION?

[DukeOfYork 28]

It might be a lil DESPERATION?

No, it's chronic, repetitive behavior.

Edited May 20, 2010 by DukeOfYork

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I agree. Yet framing the debate in racial terms is a tactic that works for the Left and so they continue to exploit it.

Take for instance the Tea Party Movement. That movement has nothing to do with racism or "Nazism", yet the Left frames the "Teabaggers" as racists and hicks, even though there is no evidence actually pointing to that. What happens? Everyone thinks Tea Partiers are racists and hicks.

I am continually amazed that the Left in this country isn't actually for stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. After all, it's the evil businesses that employ people here illegally and make them work in conditions that are against labor laws. The illegal immigrant has no recourse because once they complain, they get found out.

I've said it once in this thread, and I'll say it again: The illegal immigration issue is one of human rights. If we ignore the human rights violations that go on with illegal human trafficking and illegal work conditions, we are condoning the continual violation of human rights in this country.

But the Left won't argue that point. Why? The cynic in me says it's because they are going toward their base. Showing that you're for the downtrodden while not doing a damn thing for them = votes.

The left has cried Wolf! too often. Accusations of racism are losing their sting, thank God.

The left isn't all that bright to start with, and they are definately not complex or long term thinkers. How they feel about an issue ranks way higher than thinking about it, illustrated recently by Holder, Napolitano, Posner and Obama's verbal diarrhea against the AZ law despite not having read it. That shouldn't pass muster even in grade school, much less in positions of responsibility toward our sovereignity.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Then how will Arizona enforce this law? Put aside driving in a vehicle, IMO someone driving without a license should be arrested anyway so thats a non issue. Lets use this scenario, police respond to a domestic abuse call. On arrival they meet the couple and decide no crime has occured. Now what tools have the police to determine if the couple is legal or not? They have no passports, no license etc. The police can't use their race, the way they talk etc. so what will give them the opportunity to ask about their status and potentially detain them.