Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

[Obama 2012 1,714]

El Buscador,

Darn, I thought you were going to do the work yourself and demonstrate how the specifics of the AZ law violate the US Constitution. Instead, you posted a legal opinion.

Have you ever been pulled over as a passenger in a car? Where I live, the police ask me for my ID as well as the driver's ID. For people who are here legally, this isn't a problem. I think that's where the "reasonable suspicion" comes into play, don't you? No ID, no English [at least in many cases, but not all], inability to produce ID and then a check with Customs and Border Patrol shows that the subject did not enter with an inspection. I think that's reasonable, don't you? Would you have a problem if the same scenerio happened, but it was ICE or CBE that pulled the same vehicle over and did the same checks?

The AZ law was amended to allow the legal immigration check only when one is lawfully stopped, not just when they're out for their ice cream, as Barry Obama would have you believe.

If you are going to claim that this law is unconstitutional, you will have to unequivically back that claim up.

Don't ask him to have a legitimate beef with a piece of legislation. That's a near impossibility and might cause his thought process to self-destruct.

[DukeOfYork 28]

Thanks for the advice. I did give him a chance though!

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I'm just glad that enough level-headed Americans can see the kinds of constitutional problems with Arizona's new law and are willing to stand up in protest. I believe justice and our beloved Constitution will prevail. God bless America and everything it stands for.

steven, if you think the la city council qualifies as level headed americans, then that could be indicative of a larger problem.

[The_Dude 1,142]

steven, if you think the la city council qualifies as level headed americans, then that could be indicative of a larger problem.

Because charles says so, and we all know he's qualified to make such a judgement.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I'm just glad that enough level-headed Americans can see the kinds of constitutional problems with Arizona's new law and are willing to stand up in protest. I believe justice and our beloved Constitution will prevail. God bless America and everything it stands for.

when are you going to stand up & boycott that avatar?

i believe someone asked you to list the constitutional problems...please spare us the 14th amendment stuff too. trying to use an amendment that ensured former slaves rights on illegal immigrants is ridiculous & shows you have no arguement.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Because charles says so, and we all know he's qualified to make such a judgement.

need i remind you of a few comments you've made about the la mayor, which i drew upon to make that post of mine?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

El Buscador,

Darn, I thought you were going to do the work yourself and demonstrate how the specifics of the AZ law violate the US Constitution. Instead, you posted a legal opinion.

Have you ever been pulled over as a passenger in a car? Where I live, the police ask me for my ID as well as the driver's ID. For people who are here legally, this isn't a problem. I think that's where the "reasonable suspicion" comes into play, don't you? No ID, no English [at least in many cases, but not all], inability to produce ID and then a check with Customs and Border Patrol shows that the subject did not enter with an inspection. I think that's reasonable, don't you? Would you have a problem if the same scenerio happened, but it was ICE or CBE that pulled the same vehicle over and did the same checks?

The AZ law was amended to allow the legal immigration check only when one is lawfully stopped, not just when they're out for their ice cream, as Barry Obama would have you believe.

If you are going to claim that this law is unconstitutional, you will have to unequivically back that claim up.

The language you speak does not equal reasonable suspicion and is a sign of profiling. No offense, but I'll take a legal opinion from someone who actually studies the law over someone who thinks that every language but English automatically denotes an illegal.

Edited May 19, 2010 by Sousuke

[The_Dude 1,142]

need i remind you of a few comments you've made about the la mayor, which i drew upon to make that post of mine?

I fvcking hate Villaraigosa. I'm not going to back down from that. But I'm not going to say he's crazy or unstable.

[SMOKE 1,426]

The language you speak does not equal reasonable suspicion and is a sign of profiling. No offense, but I'll take a legal opinion from someone who actually studies the law over someone who thinks that every language but English automatically is an illegal.

you mean like the people that wrote the law? or the one that haven't read the law, yet denounce it?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

when are you going to stand up & boycott that avatar?

i believe someone asked you to list the constitutional problems...please spare us the 14th amendment stuff too. trying to use an amendment that ensured former slaves rights on illegal immigrants is ridiculous & shows you have no arguement.

Yes of course, the 14th amendment isn't a valid part of the constitution.....

you mean like the people that wrote the law? or the one that haven't read the law, yet denounce it?

The "law" as in the profession.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Yes of course, the 14th amendment isn't a valid part of the constitution.....

its very valid. it ensured that slaves forcefully brought to the US had the same rights as everyone else. it in no way grants the same rights to people that broke this nations laws by sneaking into this country.

[SMOKE 1,426]

The "law" as in the profession.

as in the guy that helped craft it & the ones that support it? or only the ones that attempt to pervert the constitution to fit their ideology?

[_Simpson_ 250]

The language you speak does not equal reasonable suspicion and is a sign of profiling. No offense, but I'll take a legal opinion from someone who actually studies the law over someone who thinks that every language but English automatically denotes an illegal.

Does it have to get to the point where we ask everybody for there legal documentation. I wish we could just use some common sense and let these cops do there job.

Complaints about language profiling is a new one to me. Acting nervously and unable to produce ID could also lead to reasonable suspicion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

its very valid. it ensured that slaves forcefully brought to the US had the same rights as everyone else. it in no way grants the same rights to people that broke this nations laws by sneaking into this country.

Why?

[SMOKE 1,426]

Why?

it was intended to protect people FORCEFULLY brought here as slaves. not people snubbing their noses at the laws of this country for their own gains.

why should it?

Edited May 19, 2010 by SMOKE