5th lawsuit filed to fight Arizona immigration law

[Darnell 8,478]

And all i'm saying is that when you start assuming everyone is illegal and that USC citizens have to prove they are citizenship on the way to the store you basically have got the Waffen SS looking over you.

I have no issue with that, and Arizona doesn't either. Different thing, IMO. Also, your first 'thing' compared to your second 'thing' - isn't even in the same ballpark - Seriously - when is an Illegal Alien NOT an Illegal Alien (sans Successful AOS) ??

Comparing the Arizona 'police force' to the Waffen SS is specious, at best, and downright ill-informed, at worst. You DO KNOW the check will be done upon 'detainment', right? One of the big things that is different, is that the Waffen SS went LOOKING for the Jews, without 'scent of infraction'. Arizona uses 'scent of infraction' first.

now then - 'on the way to the store' and have a car accident? That's a great reason to be stopped by a police man, who's gonna check yer ID.

Otherwise, if no 'scent of infraction', you won't be stopped.

Seriously - what are you going on about? If I was to 'get specific', I'd have to assume that your USC spouse HAS a US Passport, and if yer USC Spouse is stopped, and detained - a 'lookup' will be performed to determine USC status. I'm scratching my heid here, thinking that ALL (OK, MOST) USC spouses on THIS website have a US Passport, went to YOUR Country to VISIT YOU.

Again, are you playing devil's advocate?

Edited May 18, 2010 by Darnell

[JohnSmith2007 353]

If you think all they did was genocide, then well...I'll stop there as I don't want to get into a personal attack.

Fire away. I think that people see the Nazi reference for what it is, a blatent attempted smear by someone that no longer has an argument.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I have no issue with that, and Arizona doesn't either. Different thing, IMO. Also, your first 'thing' compared to your second 'thing' - isn't even in the same ballpark - Seriously - when is an Illegal Alien NOT an Illegal Alien (sans Successful AOS) ??

Comparing the Arizona 'police force' to the Waffen SS is specious, at best, and downright ill-informed, at worst. You DO KNOW the check will be done upon 'detainment', right? One of the big things that is different, is that the Waffen SS went LOOKING for the Jews, without 'scent of infraction'. Arizona uses 'scent of infraction' first. The law still uses the term "lawful stop"...if it just arrest I'd be perfectly happy with it

now then - 'on the way to the store' and have a car accident? That's a great reason to be stopped by a police man, who's gonna check yer ID.

Otherwise, if no 'scent of infraction', you won't be stopped. Here I've got no problem, your in a car you need ID

Seriously - what are you going on about? If I was to 'get specific', I'd have to assume that your USC spouse HAS a US Passport, and if yer USC Spouse is stopped, and detained - a 'lookup' will be performed to determine USC status. I'm scratching my heid here, thinking that ALL (OK, MOST) USC spouses on THIS website have a US Passport, went to YOUR Country to VISIT YOU. Yes I have my passport, do I carry it? No. I am a walker, I walk to work etc and you know what I rarely carry a wallet. So if I'm stopped I guess I will be thrown into county lockup until someone can fetch me my passport....

Again, are you playing devil's advocate? I'm playing, I hate illegal immigration as much as the next guy, all they need to do is change the law to read "arrest" and drop the day laborer part and its fine.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Fire away. I think that people see the Nazi reference for what it is, a blatent attempted smear by someone that no longer has an argument.

I specifically used the term Waffen SS because of their specific tactics.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I am assuming you added this part to Darnell's post. What kind of drugs are you on anyway? How do we go from protecting our borders, enforcing our laws and wanting those that break our laws to leave to Nazis and the Holocost? Give me a break. That has to be the most disgusting thing I have seen. You don't agree? Fine. Just don't start throwing around the Nazi comparison. Shame on you!

No, shame on you. There is a huge gap between enforcing our immigration laws and genocide. If you don't see the difference you need to go back to school.

Thats Holocaust btw.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

I specifically used the term Waffen SS because of their specific tactics.

And for the images the Nazi reference brings up. You should be ashamed of yourself for stooping so low. The comparison is despicable. You can try and separate the Waffen SS with the Nazi's in general but your real goal is to demonize the entire discussion with this pitiful attempt at linking this law with the most hated government of all time.

Thats Holocaust btw.

BFD. Who cares how it is spelled? Your the one sinking to the gutter to make a point.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

And for the images the Nazi reference brings up. You should be ashamed of yourself for stooping so low. The comparison is despicable. You can try and separate the Waffen SS with the Nazi's in general but your real goal is to demonize the entire discussion with this pitiful attempt at linking this law with the most hated government of all time.

Yes because I hate America so and I think that all illegals are just so cuddly and fun!

And for the images the Nazi reference brings up. You should be ashamed of yourself for stooping so low. The comparison is despicable. You can try and separate the Waffen SS with the Nazi's in general but your real goal is to demonize the entire discussion with this pitiful attempt at linking this law with the most hated government of all time.

BFD. Who cares how it is spelled? Your the one sinking to the gutter to make a point.

You can learn how to spell it in school is all that I'm saying......

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Yes because I hate America so and I think that all illegals are just so cuddly and fun!

You hate America? Why is that?

Comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany is wrong, Jewish group tells L.A. politicians

May 13, 2010 | 6:29 am

Is Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigration really comparable to Nazi Germany?

The comparison was made by some on the L.A. City Council on Wednesday as the body approved a boycott against Arizona. But one leading Jewish group says its "irresponsible" to liken the Arizona law to Nazi tactics.

The Wiesenthal Center along with many other Americans expressed our opposition to the language of the Arizona immigration bill but it is inappropriate and irresponsible to link the bill to the actions of Nazi Germany, Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the center, said in a statement. In a democracy, there is no need to demonize opponents, even when they are mistaken, to those whose actions led to history's most notorious crime."

On Wednesday, council members compared Arizonas action to Nazi Germany and the beginning of the Holocaust, as well as to the internment and deportation of Japanese Americans during World War II. A new Arizona law, which will take effect July 23, will require police to determine whether people they stop are in the country illegally, which critics say will lead to racial profiling.

In April, Cardinal Roger Mahony also compared Arizona's law to Nazism. "American people are fair-minded and respectful. I can't imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques whereby people are required to turn one another in to the authorities on any suspicion of documentation," Mahony wrote on his blog.

A Wiesenthal Center official did agree with Mahony that the Arizona law is wrong. This isnt about immigration, its about discrimination, Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the center, said in a statement. We should not forget that were a nation of immigrants. This law makes no sense -- it guarantees and stigmatizes people of color as second-class citizens and exposes them to intimidation and the use of racial profiling as a weapon of bias."

-- Shelby Grad

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/05/comparing-arizona-to-nazi-germany-is-wrong-jewish-group-tells-la-politicians.html

Edited May 18, 2010 by JohnSmith2007

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Because it is so free! You can go around and people can't tell you what to say or think. Its horrible! We should all be in school until we are 40 so that we know what the Nazi's did and how to spell Holocaust.

America needs to be less free! We should check everyone's IDs all the time! Then I might like America.

Edited May 18, 2010 by Sousuke

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Because it is so free! You can go around and people can't tell you what to say or think. Its horrible! We should all be in school until we are 40 so that we know what the Nazi's did and how to spell Holocaust.

Keep reaching. If ribbing me for my spelling makes you think your winning an argument then I don't know what to tell you. Your Nazi reference is still disgusting and wrong.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Keep reaching. If ribbing me for my spelling makes you think your winning an argument then I don't know what to tell you. Your Nazi reference is still disgusting and wrong.

Yes of course, we should never even use the word "waffen"...its too much like waffle. It is a disgrace to waffles everywhere!

Waffles are not...I repeat NOT disgusting.

Edited May 18, 2010 by Sousuke

[Darnell 8,478]

Yes because I hate America so and I think that all illegals are just so cuddly and fun!

There is always that option to turn in your green card and return to country of birth, ya know. It's ALWAYS available to you (and any other GC holder).

If you decide to do that, let me know - I'll start special fundraising campaign to pay for yer air ticket.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Yes of course, we should never even use the word "waffen"...its too much like waffle. It is a disgrace to waffles everywhere!

Right..... My guess is you have no idea what the Jews went through. It is easy to try and link this bill and the Nazi's because you really don't understand. I will just chalk your comments up to hyper-partisanship and ignorence then.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

There is always that option to turn in your green card and return to country of birth, ya know. It's ALWAYS available to you (and any other GC holder).

If you decide to do that, let me know - I'll start special fundraising campaign to pay for yer air ticket.

Okay, oh wait this my country of birth.....

Can I still get a free ticket?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Right..... My guess is you have no idea what the Jews went through. It is easy to try and link this bill and the Nazi's because you really don't understand. I will just chalk your comments up to hyper-partisanship and ignorence then.

Yes because I'm such a leftwinger! My prolife, anti illegal immigration, and pro 2nd amendment beliefs must mean I'm crazy left lol.