Bring Back the "-1" rating

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

i want my +1 back.

There you go.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

maybe just have ewok include this in the smiley selection:

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

maybe just have ewok include this in the smiley selection:

Well, that requires an actual post that a member must put their name too. Which would likely get reported, causing said post to be deleted and the poster being publicly humiliated.

Much better for people to be able to anonymously give the post a minus. To which other people can also add their minuses.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Well, that requires an actual post that a member must put their name too. Which would likely get reported, causing said post to be deleted and the poster being publicly humiliated.

Much better for people to be able to anonymously give the post a minus. To which other people can also add their minuses.

Agreed. If the +1's get to be anonymous, it follows that -1's should be as well. If a poster chooses to say "I gave you a +1/-1" then it should be their choice. Since you only get to vote once on a post, there's low risk that a post will needlessly be voted down (unless multiple sockpuppets are in use).

I gave Johnny's post a +1 -- I'm willing to put my name to that.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Agreed. If the +1's get to be anonymous, it follows that -1's should be as well. If a poster chooses to say "I gave you a +1/-1" then it should be their choice. Since you only get to vote once on a post, there's low risk that a post will needlessly be voted down (unless multiple sockpuppets are in use).

I gave Johnny's post a +1 -- I'm willing to put my name to that.

IMO it's not just the anonymity that works. We have no forum mods; no one on board to patrol (politely) for bad advice. All we have are the so-called forum experts and some of them are way to big for their britches.

The minus is a form of membership moderation. It can help alert readers to incorrect advice. Hopefully it can teach the well-intentioned "wrongsters" to realize when they are wrong. The minus is not rude like someone yelling "your wrong". It's just a minus.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

IMO it's not just the anonymity that works. We have no forum mods; no one on board to patrol (politely) for bad advice. All we have are the so-called forum experts and some of them are way to big for their britches.

The minus is a form of membership moderation. It can help alert readers to incorrect advice. Hopefully it can teach the well-intentioned "wrongsters" to realize when they are wrong. The minus is not rude like someone yelling "your wrong". It's just a minus.

Mmmm, yes. All this too. If we need to work with the brand of moderation supplied on this board, bottom-up information moderation by the members makes sense.

I'm with you on the forum "experts" opinion as well. I think many of us have specific areas that we're more knowledgeable in than others, and if we share that info, great! But I have major doubts about the "qualifications" of the generalists (I have two or three in mind, all insufferable) -- many of them are unable to admit that they're wrong. There needs to be a system for calling BS on VJ in a clinical way, devoid of the usual "your wrong"-ery. Hence, the +1/-1 system.

Edit to remove a stray pronoun.

Edited May 21, 2010 by elmcitymaven

[*julez* 124]

And still, not a word from the site owner on this issue. Not even the courtesy of a reply after DAYS going by. Pathetic.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

+1 for Julez.

[TBoneTX 45,267]

I have major doubts about the "qualifications" of the generalists (I have two or three in mind, all insufferable) -- many of them are unable to admit that they're wrong. There needs to be a system for calling BS on VJ in a clinical way

Edit to remove a stray pronoun.

Respectfully stated, si man: What would then stop people from issuing a -1 as a result of their subjective emotional reaction to "insufferability"? Wouldn't this be contrary to, and defeat the purpose of, a clinical approach?

I believe that presentations of logic, accuracy, and facts will prevail over wrongness, si man.

Remember to stray and, uh, neuter all pronouns, si eunuch.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Respectfully stated, si man: What would then stop people from issuing a -1 as a result of their subjective emotional reaction to "insufferability"? Wouldn't this be contrary to, and defeat the purpose of, a clinical approach?

Is insufferability part of 'the clinical approach'?

[Darnell 8,478]

My apologies if this was already mentioned -

but -

what if it were brought back, in a limited area, such as the top level forums,

or

all forums except OT ??

What are your thoughts?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

My apologies if this was already mentioned -

but -

what if it were brought back, in a limited area, such as the top level forums,

or

all forums except OT ??

What are your thoughts?

I still think it would be a problem. For instance there is a fairly knowledgeable person in the upper forum that everyone loves to hate, just because he's made some bad choices in the past. I could see his advice getting knocked simply because people dislike him.

And whats so bad about pushing up the good advice? Isn't a 0 among a bunch of 4s the same as a -1 among 3s?

Edited May 21, 2010 by Sousuke

[GJen 9]

How's that saying go? ...."Sticks and stones may break my bones, but -1 will never hurt me"?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I believe that presentations of logic, accuracy, and facts will prevail over wrongness, si man.

Good god, this IS VJ -- when did logic, accuracy and facts have anything to do with people offering advice?

Interesting that people have jumped on my use of "insufferable" (an epithet easily stuck to my own back). I suppose I feel that one's subjective feelings about who is and who is not a tosspot on VJ won't coincide in a statistically significant way with those of other users; generating a critical mass of -1's for no good reason except insufferability is probably unlikely. Some of the people I can't stand are amongst the most feted by others. The majority of VJ users don't give a toss one way or another about who's in or out of favour with the few of us who "care" about such things, and won't vote using standards such as relative insufferability.

And by the way, none of you are on my list.

Edit: removal of a stray "other" in the text. And yes, I am totally abusing my organiser powers to go back in time and correct myself. So there.

Edited May 22, 2010 by elmcitymaven

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Good god, this IS VJ -- when did logic, accuracy and facts have anything to do with people offering advice?

Interesting that people have jumped on my use of "insufferable" (an epithet easily stuck to my own back). I suppose I feel that one's subjective feelings about who is and who is not a tosspot on VJ won't coincide in a statistically significant way with those of other users; generating a critical mass of -1's for no good reason except insufferability is probably unlikely. Some of the people I can't stand are amongst the most feted by others. The majority of VJ users don't give a toss one way or another about who's in or out of favour with the few of us who "care" about such things, and won't vote using standards such as relative insufferability.

And by the way, none of you are on my list.

Edit: removal of a stray "other" in the text. And yes, I am totally abusing my organiser powers to go back in time and correct myself. So there.

Not to mention the fact that was is insufferable to one is not to another.