USCIS Drafting Amnesty Plan for Illegals Already?

[Niels Bohr 72]

That's not a valid argument. Realistic?

The guy who called in was a congressman. He knows what he was talking about.

b/c it's not realistic either. Do you really think the illegals could afford to pay a large fine and back taxes? Hell no. - It'd turn out to be an amnesty bill all around where most wouldn't end up paying a dime.

[Pooky 3,784]

That's not a valid argument. Realistic?

The guy who called in was a congressman. He knows what he was talking about.

A Congressman being realistic?

That's a new one!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Reagan signed an amnesty bill passed by a Democratic majority congress and handed off to him to sign. Of course he could have vetoed it and let them see if they could get the votes to override a veto, but it didn't happen that way. Former Attorney General during Reagan's presidency, Edwin Meese, has stated that it is his opinion that had Reagan seen the mess that precedent created he would not have done it and certainly would not do it again. Read:

http://www.humaneven...le.php?id=18399

I personally could give ####### which party propagates this continued failed policy of repeatedly amnestying illegal aliens. It's stupid and does nothing to deter illegal immigration. It rewards and encourages it. How about enforcing the laws and fulfilling the broken promises of the previous "comprehensive immigration reforms" instead of another amnesty? We do not need to amnesty illegal aliens to enforce present immigration/work authorization laws nor to genuinely reform immigration and secure our border.

In your zeal to yell "Everyone out!" you fail to conceive of even the possibility that some don't need to go.

[justashooter 430]

b/c it's not realistic either. Do you really think the illegals could afford to pay a large fine and back taxes? Hell no. - It'd turn out to be an amnesty bill all around where most wouldn't end up paying a dime.

amen. we all know that teh fines and taxes would be waived because the "poor" illegals would be allowed to pay on a sliding scale which would result in zero responsibly to those who are here.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It is not just Democrats who have historically supported the idea of amnesty, and it was Reagan who kicked things off in 1986. But keep up the partisan non-sense boys!

True.

Republicans have as much to gain by exploiting brown people. Democrats aren't the only racists, though they excell at it, it is true. Republicans like the conscription of new human servants as much as democrats.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

That's not a valid argument. Realistic?

The guy who called in was a congressman. He knows what he was talking about.

you're joking, right?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

True.

Republicans have as much to gain by exploiting brown people. Democrats aren't the only racists, though they excell at it, it is true. Republicans like the conscription of new human servants as much as democrats.

Amnesty gets us to your precious goal of stopping exploitation just as well as the boot does... It just doesn't get you to your real goal.

And neither plan addresses the worst of the worst, drug gangs.

[peejay 327]

In your zeal to yell "Everyone out!" you fail to conceive of even the possibility that some don't need to go.

I don't care if they stay or go. You can bring a few home and support them for the rest of their lives for all I care. They just should not get rewarded for illegally immigrating and illegally working. They definitely should not be rewarded with permanent residency and work authorization. You don't deter illegal immigration by feeding it.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Moved from Off-Topic Discussion to Immigration News Forum as a more appropriate location for the topic

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Agreed, possible voter allegiance is a side issue, for now.

But "disruptive and brutal to attempt to forcibly remove all illegals"? You're being a bit strong there. How many people here are advocating rounding up 13-20 million people and deporting them? Not me. Not most of the people supporting enforcement of the current Federal laws.

Most people here are arguing to strangle the demand side of the equation. Take care of the employers first and foremost. Raid them. Fine them - hard. Make it financially untenable to employ illegal immigrant labour. Cut off the demand and the flow of illegal immigrants will slow, stop, then reverse itself. If illegal immigrants are identified in this process, then the weight of Federal law should fall on them and they should be deported. To do otherwise is abrogating the law and negligent of the Federal authorities.

But "disruptive and brutal"? Illegal immigrants know they are coming here in the hope that the Federal authorities will continue to make only token efforts to enforce current Federal law. They know the risks. They have accepted the risks by coming here in the first place. They can have no complaints if the Federal authorities catch up with them and do what they are current legislation requires of them.

Cracking down on employers who hire illegals only works to resolve the best of the illegal immigrants. They after all, do spend the money they make, or some percentage, in order to live, eat and so on in the area where they are illegally employed.

Cracking down on employers completely fails to dent the in flux of criminal drug gangs, the worst of the worst, most violent and by definition those whom we would most want to be removed.

I say disruptive and brutal, because many American citizens fit the criteria for double checking their immigration status, some of whom will be held for extended periods of time for no better reason than said criteria. I say disruptive and brutal because we have a large and important trade relationship with Mexico. I say disruptive and brutal because a military style fencing system, with barbed wire, machine gun nests and perhaps a few mine fields would indeed be both brutal and disruptive. I don't believe it is any more of a stretch than those who apparently want to blame our current bad economy on illegal aliens.

We also seem to fail to comprehend our own complicity in the economic factors which make coming here illegally, despite the dangers, something which people are willing to risk.

[DEDixon 39]

Fair enough. It is painful to watch the clueless make this a partisan issue though. I don't know that I personally agree with amnesty for all, only that I am sure it would be disruptive and brutal to attempt to forcibly remove all illegals.

they don't have to be removed, they'll eventually die off.

securing the border, before anything else is a must... stop the inflow. over the years, as the US has a sick economy, many will go back on their own. some will go back just to be with a dying or hospitalized relative too.

reform that enforces workplace laws will make it difficult for them to get employment so they will move south. move south and protest their own gov't for change.

amnesty is completely unnecessary.

[Danno 1,228]

b/c it's not realistic either. Do you really think the illegals could afford to pay a large fine and back taxes? Hell no. - It'd turn out to be an amnesty bill all around where most wouldn't end up paying a dime.

And pay back taxes under which name?

MAny of these people working under the table or under a fake SSN or name would have no way of knowing how much they should pay.... so how would the fed know?

Most of these "solutions" to right their wrong... don't hold up to the least bit of critical inquiry.

It always boils down to the same thing ....... FREE PASS for the vast majority.

[Nartaki 7]

I dont think this will pass. Many Democrats refuse amnesty...why give them legal status, when lower and middle class Americans dont have jobs?

If they do one thing, I am pretty sure all the illegal immigrants will leave this country voluntarily:

Removal of the bar to entry. The biggest reason why we have illegal aliens in this country is because the US government has these 3 yr. 5yr. 10 yr and Permament bans. Duh! of course people dont want to leave this country. Remove the bars and people will have no fear to return lawfully to the US if their visas expire.

[Indy90 21]

Well, I think that it is a good thing that at least certain segments of the government plan ahead and think about the consequences. Some type of amnesty has to be part of any major immigration reform in my opinion, but I will not support amnesty until the government figures out how to prevent widespread illegal immigration in the future. If this is not done, the government will force itself into a cycle of amnesty every 5 or 10 years. In an ideal situation, a virtual open border would be best, but this is simply not going to happen anytime soon.

Personally, I think that the best way to end illegal immigration is to enforce employment sanctions and through the e-verify system, which would not be that hard to implement and would be pretty effective because illegal immigration is mostly market driven. If someone hires an illegal immigrant after amnesty, they get put in jail for a couple of months and fined $50,000. Not everyone would qualify for amnesty, but if you have paid your taxes the last couple of years (many people are surprised to learn that many illegal immigrants often pay taxes), have an American citizen child (although in the future I would stop birth right citizenship, although if someone was born here to non-citizen parents and has lived in the US for a certain number of years, they should be eligible for citizenship), or meet certain other requirement, they should be allowed to stay.

[DEDixon 39]

stop birth right citizenship and implement a very good guest worker program and all you people that have kids could afford nannies.

with laws that stop anyone who isn't legal from working along with marking passports of guest workers that mess up in US, we could be living the life! darn, i'd have a driver, gardener, maid and just might be inclided to have kids .... with the right reform and guest worker program, the US could start growing again (people have more babies if they can get help) without importing people through the current immigration process.

this would help the US and help the unemployed from around the world.