LA Votes in Favor of Arizona Boycott

[one...two...tree 2,762]

la bullsh!t. you gotta link?

The Arizona Poll was a survey of registered voters who are self-identified as Latino or Hispanic and resident in the state. The poll was commissioned by the National Council of La Raza, and conducted in conjunction with political scientists at Arizona State University, and Northern Arizona University. The sample size of 402 carries a margin-of-error of ±4.9% and was conducted between April 30 and May 5, 2010, and was approximately 17 minutes in length. The sample was drawn randomly from the most recent publicly available list of registered voters in the State of Arizona, screened for Hispanic surnames using the Census Bureau list, and merged with third party data to secure telephone numbers. Voter registration status and Hispanic identification were verified upon contact with respondents, who confirm if they are registered to vote in Arizona and of Hispanic/Latino descent.

http://latinodecisions.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/latino-voters-strongly-reject-arizona-immigration-law-1070/

[The_Dude 1,142]

I won't hold this (liberal arts grade) stance against you as it's no different to assuming the Arizona laws will only target brown people. No evidence needed, just the accusation. Not unless it comes to minorities and crime, then the Robs of America demand justice!

Same old BY. You trying to actually deny that you've posted your opinion and tried to pass it off as statistics, much like SMOKE has done here? Come on BY, don't delude yourself.

Oh well, Arizona will be laughing when LA falls off into the ocean and Arizona becomes beach front property

Wow, did you read that in MAD Magazine? The plates are shifting and L.A. will be where S.F. is..... in like 150 million years. Nothing is falling off the coast.

This guy is an idiot and should not get re-elected. He's either playing BS politics or he really is this damn stupid.

Master of the obvious. Surprisingly, I agree.

what statistics did i post?

What statistics did you post? Come on man, don't play dumb on this one. You said that most latinos in Arizona support that. You may not have used an actual number, but it is an uncited statistic....

[SMOKE 1,426]

The poll was commissioned by the National Council of La Raza, and conducted in conjunction with political scientists at Arizona State University, and Northern Arizona University.

http://latinodecisions.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/latino-voters-strongly-reject-arizona-immigration-law-1070/

how about 1 that doesn't trip big brother software & wasn't conducted by la raza?

[Peikko 1,575]

Nutty.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

how about 1 that doesn't trip big brother software & wasn't conducted by la raza?

You could save yourself a bit of time by actually reading the page. Right at the bottom it says:

Surveying is conducted by fully bilingual interviewers, in English and Spanish at the discretion of the respondent. Respondents are greeted in both languages. The survey instrument is created by Barreto and Segura, in consultation with other political scientists, and translated into Spanish. The survey is administered under the direction of Pacific Market Research, in Renton, WA, and performed using a Computer-Assisted-Telephone-Interviewing (CATI) protocols. CATI programming is performed by Pacific Market Research.

The survey was commissioned by la raza, that means they hired a 3rd party to conduct the survey, it doesn't mean that they went out and did it themselves.

This is actually common practice, by having a 3rd party do the work it means the survey is independent and not a piece of propaganda created in-house.

[The_Dude 1,142]

how about 1 that doesn't trip big brother software & wasn't conducted by la raza?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Right-Wingers Lie on SB 1070, Claim (Falsely) That Majority of Hispanics Support It

Sultans of falsehoods: Man, is Bill O'Reilly looking old these days, or what?

The lefty Think Progress Web site has addressed an absurd, nativist shibboleth that I've heard kicking around the conservanut echo chamber lately: The lie that SB 1070, Arizona's new "papers please" legislation, is actually supported by a majority of Hispanics.

Where did the wingnut drones from Fox's Bill O'Reilly to fathead J.D. Hayworth to KTAR's Bruce St. James get this bit of bigoted claptrap? Apparently, they pulled it out of their flabby, white backsides.

The reality is 70 percent of Latino voters in Arizona "strongly oppose" SB 1070, according to a survey commissioned by the National Council of La Raza.

(BTW, nativists, spare me the racist conspiracy theories on NCLR's name. "La Raza" in common parlance is used to mean "the people" or the "Hispanic people," not "race" in the traditional sense.)
A recent Rocky Mountain Poll found <a href="http://www.brcpolls.com/10/RMP%202010-II-03.pdf" style="text-decoration: underline;">52 percent of all Arizonans back SB 1070, with 39 percent against it. The same poll found that Caucasians support the law by 65 percent, while Hispanics oppose it by a whopping 69 percent.
Actually, not one of the polls out there -- not even the way right-wing Rasmussen Reports -- claims that Latinos back SB 1070.

Rasmussen did put out a poll stating that 70 percent of likely voters in Arizona favored the law, but Scott Rasmussen later admitted to me that 81 percent of the 500 respondents to the poll were white.

Indeed, Rasmussen never claimed that a majority of Latinos supported the law. But conservanudniks have little allegiance to the truth when it doesn't serve their purposes, so they just make stuff up to suit their arguments.

In a subsequent survey, Rasmussen asserted that 60 percent of all likely voters across America support the Arizona law, though New York Times/CBS News found total national support for SB 1070 to be much lower, around 51 percent.

While there are other right-wing prevarications concerning SB 1070 to be addressed, we should at least put to rest the colossal Dr. Goebbels-like deception that the majority of Latinos support SB 1070. It is simply not true.

http://blogs.phoenix...n_sb_1070_c.php

[Heracles 417]

Same old BY. You trying to actually deny that you've posted your opinion and tried to pass it off as statistics, much like SMOKE has done here? Come on BY, don't delude yourself.

Just when I think liberalism is just a silly label and surely not all on the left thinks in the same lock-step manner, you discredit me own view. I have always found it funny that I could post 1,000 different articles, studies, incidents involving a particular topic, yet you guys will accuse me (or others) of using the same old lines. In realty, it's you that is using the same old responses.

Much like Arizona's legislation, it really didn't matter what the wording or premise was, as you guys will say 'it's against brown people' period. Then accuse everyone else of using the same old racist reasoning. If that is not being a liberal, I don't know what is.

Honestly, the only topic on here that liberals used some logic, rational thought and common sense, was regarding the health care debate. For everything else, you stick to one of few responses and run on kumbaya-esque ideals.

Edited May 12, 2010 by Booyah!

[The_Dude 1,142]

Just when I think liberalism is just a silly label and surely not all on the left thinks in the same lock-step manner, you discredit me own view. I have always found it funny that I could post 1,000 different articles, studies, incidents involving a particular topic, yet you guys will accuse me (or others) of using the same old lines. In realty, it's you that is using the same old responses.

Much like Arizona's legislation, it really didn't matter what the wording or premise was, as you guys will say 'it's against brown people' period. Then accuse everyone else of using the same old racist reasoning. If that is not being a liberal, I don't know what is.

Honestly, the only topic on here that liberals used some logic, rational thought and common sense, was regarding the health care debate. For everything else, you stick to one of few responses and run on kumbaya-esque ideals.

BY, you act as if it were a one time occurence that I am focusing on and discounting a mountain of posts to the contrary. You can drop the self-righteous indignation. You have a tendency to post your opinion in a manner in which you try to present it as a fact. Sorry, your friend who you know at city hall, or a cop you talked to once at the pub don't count as a verifiable source. Your quite ignorant if you think i'm some stereotypical liberal. But then again, you are one to just make stuff up anyways.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

from The Arizona Republic (the newspaper of the Phoenix metropolitan area)

Arizonans who support SB-1070 has fallen from 70 percent to 52 percent

A poll released Tuesday indicated that 52 percent of the public statewide supported Arizona's new immigration law, 39 percent opposed it and 9 percent were unsure. Republicans, Caucasians and those aged 55 and older were the strongest supporters, while Democrats and minorities were the strongest opponents.

...

Phoenix-based behavior Research Center Inc. conducted the Rocky Mountain Poll, which involved live telephone interviews with 660 adult heads of household statewide between April 15 and April 25. Of those, 552 were voters. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.

Read more: http://www.azcentral...l#ixzz0nlFxH5jE

[Heracles 417]

Personal anecdotes are not unvarnished fact. You don't seem to understand the distinction.

We've been here many many times before - you'll write off entire populations of people based on something that you heard from your father's best friend's room-mate.

You are right. Apparently, what's more accurate is something like your assumption that all people and cultures are the same. Regardless of the fact that every college level textbook on culture states otherwise.

If you go back to the beginning, observation was never good enough, so I started using facts. Not to my surprise, this was not acceptable either; not up to your personal standard. While you expected everyone else to meet some sanctimonious Pike standard, you need not hold yourself up to these same standards. My favorite though is from CLEO, that I just don't get the stats.

This thread is just another example of you guys doing everything you can to beat around the bush. Yet had the title been police accidentally causes blister on Hispanic detainee, you'd cry murder and demand their death. You guys use the same strategy in every such thread. You will downplay anything that is not important to you, but will amplify even the smallest things when it comes to minorities and their treatment.

Edited May 12, 2010 by Booyah!

[SMOKE 1,426]

You could save yourself a bit of time by actually reading the page. Right at the bottom it says:

The survey was commissioned by la raza, that means they hired a 3rd party to conduct the survey, it doesn't mean that they went out and did it themselves.

This is actually common practice, by having a 3rd party do the work it means the survey is independent and not a piece of propaganda created in-house.

if you would have taken the time to read my post. you would have noticed that big brother software would not let me read it.

'The poll was commissioned by the National Council of La Raza, and conducted in conjunction with political scientists at Arizona State University, and Northern Arizona University'

that means la raza was also conducting the survey along with the groups of la raza's choice.....'a piece of propaganda created in-house'?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You are right. Apparently, what's more accurate is something like your assumption that all people and cultures are the same. Regardless of the fact that every college level textbook on culture states otherwise.

If you go back to the beginning, observation was never good enough, so I started using facts. Not to my surprise, this was not acceptable either; not up to your personal standard. while you expected everyone else to meet some sort of Pike standard, you need not hold yourself up to these same standards. My favorite though is from CLEO, that I just don't get the stats.

This thread is just another example of you guys doing everything you can to beat around the bush. Yet had the title been police accidentally causes blister on Hispanic detainee, you'd cry murder and demand their death. You guys use the same strategy in every such thread. You will downplay anything that is not important to you, but will amplify even the smallest things when it comes to minorities and their treatment.

Actually it's that what you take to be "facts" are not. You google random statistical numbers and post them without any sort of context and without actually stopping to read what it is you're posting. The biggest problem though is that you just have no ability whatsoever to interpret statistics.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

if you would have taken the time to read my post. you would have noticed that big brother software would not let me read it.

'The poll was commissioned by the National Council of La Raza, and conducted in conjunction with political scientists at Arizona State University, and Northern Arizona University'

that means la raza was also conducting the survey along with the groups of la raza's choice.....'a piece of propaganda created in-house'?

If that's what you want to believe... I doubt anyone will be able to convince you otherwise.

[SMOKE 1,426]

If that's what you want to believe... I doubt anyone will be able to convince you otherwise.

thats what is says. if you want to believe it says something else, be my guest.