The Welfare State's Death Spiral

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Yes. Gary wasn't exactly a single payer guy. According to this here post (and others in the thread) JS'07 is.

Hey big or shall I say little boy. Pacifiers are cheaper!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hey big or shall I say little boy. Pacifiers are cheaper!

You're outta shape, bro. Have another drag on that crack pipe and drown a couple more shots of that moonshine. Take big ones. Maybe then you'll be funny.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You're outta shape, bro. Have another drag on that crack pipe and drown a couple more shots of that moonshine. Take big ones. Maybe then you'll be funny.

Reality CRACK beats the fvckin shite outta govament CRACK! They can TAKE it from you as FAST as you GOT IT! Heil GREECE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBowrj9kCB4

Edited May 11, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[Texanadian 10]

If you do away with SS, you had better pay all of us back what we put in + interest.

Effectively we need a temporary and completely independent agency to conduct an audit of every aspect of our government

I would gladly get rid of Social Security if it meant losing everything put in. I'll include the Canada Pension Plan money I've put in too. There seems to be a common idea that if SS disappeared, that the money put in would have to be paid back. But your money has already been paid back......to retired people!

Social Security isn't about saving for your future. It's about taxing the young people to subsidize the old people. Taxing job creation to pay for people to not work. Regressive tax too.

No need to audit every aspect of government. We already know what the results will be.

On what their walmart salary?

AUS has no SS, it's all private. Your employer has to contribute 9% of you salary into a retirement account of your choice, that cannot be accessed until 65. Last article I read, they now have the largest retirement accounts per capita.

They do also provide an age pension for people that have no retirement money and have less than x assets.

It would be an improvement over the system now. Wal-Mart salary shouldn't make any difference. A Wal-Mart worker is still paying Social Security taxes today.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Reality CRACK beats the fvckin shite outta govament CRACK! They can TAKE it from you as FAST as you GOT IT! Heil GREECE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBowrj9kCB4

That's you suckin' Obama's teat.

[DEDixon 39]

Our debt is already to this point....

Federal salaries and benefits are already through the roof and need to be cut drastically.

Do away with social security and force people to save on their own. Stop babysitting.

We should also close a few military bases around the world, and work on defensive development versus offensive development. There's no rhyme or reason for us to be in a country like Afghanistan where there is no real central/stable government. No matter what we do, they are going to be a tribal nation.

There's plenty of other places to 'cut' spending, just matter of getting rid of lobbyists and start doing what's right by the American people.

yeap, bring the troops home and invest in the navy to deploy to hotspots instead of sitting idle all over that world.

tribal is right and tribal means uneducated and uneducated means let's settle our differences in battle so the people there will always be looking for a fight when they are left alone for a week. bases have already been there for 8 years, how long does it take to claim what was meant to be temporary permanent? it would take 3 generations to get these people to stop acting like cavemen.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Cut from the $1.3 trillion wasted on the military each year. Greece is a totally different ball game so it cannot be used as an example.

Though, it's funny you guys ignore examples of the third world, which tend to have repub economic ideals in practice. That's different of course and to be ignored. Ever heard of a third world country being a welfare state? Didn't think so.

More like:

• The majority of wealth is held by a small percentage of people,
• Substantial percentage of the country's budget is spent on military
• They let the market (businesses) decide wages
• Zero government assistance or investment in their country or people
• Each to their own is encouraged and
• Low taxes for the wealthy

This mentality ring a bell?

Actually Cuba and Venezuela are just two third world countries that are welfare states as examples. There are others too. They are all also in deep trouble economically.