what we still don't understand

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Now which VJ members here are making up new accounts to make it appear as if their ideas have a larger support base than in reality, and posting nothing except the most virulent of anti-Muslim propaganda ? Risto comes to mind; and RCH99 did the same thing last year, making up a new account just to agree with himself. (I believe CindyShah, and others, can confirm that incident.)

So who here is "posing" as "mass numbers of activists advocating a specific cause" ? All the ME/NA people are long-established, and are using their original accounts.

It seems that you don't actually understand the meaning of "astroturfing," although you throw the term around here frequently, in what seems to be a laughable attempt to insult people who don't agree with you.

ah yes, 2 versus how many? and how many of you post on and on about the poor palestinians, all completely one sided? the statement stands and you prove it day in and day out.

*You* are the one who repeatedly makes the accusation of "astroturfing." You posted the definition, but apparently didn't both to read it.

So I am asking you precisely *who* here is posing as multiple identities in order to "astroturf." If you can find more than the examples I gave, please list them.

If you can't do that, then you might at least learn a lesson from this -- that using "buzzwords" you don't even understand enough to use in a correct context is not a very smart tactic... it only makes your debates look uneducated and foolish.

lassie, i know it's a jump for your feeble imagination, but why acquire multiple personalities when there are so many to post said topics or threads. duh!

now go crawl back under your rock

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Now which VJ members here are making up new accounts to make it appear as if their ideas have a larger support base than in reality, and posting nothing except the most virulent of anti-Muslim propaganda ? Risto comes to mind; and RCH99 did the same thing last year, making up a new account just to agree with himself. (I believe CindyShah, and others, can confirm that incident.)

So who here is "posing" as "mass numbers of activists advocating a specific cause" ? All the ME/NA people are long-established, and are using their original accounts.

It seems that you don't actually understand the meaning of "astroturfing," although you throw the term around here frequently, in what seems to be a laughable attempt to insult people who don't agree with you.

ah yes, 2 versus how many? and how many of you post on and on about the poor palestinians, all completely one sided? the statement stands and you prove it day in and day out.

*You* are the one who repeatedly makes the accusation of "astroturfing." You posted the definition, but apparently didn't both to read it.

So I am asking you precisely *who* here is posing as multiple identities in order to "astroturf." If you can find more than the examples I gave, please list them.

If you can't do that, then you might at least learn a lesson from this -- that using "buzzwords" you don't even understand enough to use in a correct context is not a very smart tactic... it only makes your debates look uneducated and foolish.

lassie, i know it's a jump for your feeble imagination, but why acquire multiple personalities when there are so many to post said topics or threads. duh!

now go crawl back under your rock

You made the mistake of using the term in the first place, then you made the second mistake of posting the actual definition -- which clearly shows that you had no clue what the term actually means.

For the third time -- *who* precisely is "astroturfing" ? You still can't answer that question. It seems obvious that a few members from your "own side" are doing the perpetrating, rather than the ME/NA folks whom you have repeatedly accused of it.

Now of course I don't expect you concede in front of VJ (or more importantly, even to yourself) that you've shot yourself in the foot in this debate. But it's ok. Everyone else can see it.

Edited August 7, 2006 by wife_of_mahmoud

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

[Ric Flair 0]

Now which VJ members here are making up new accounts to make it appear as if their ideas have a larger support base than in reality, and posting nothing except the most virulent of anti-Muslim propaganda ? Risto comes to mind; and RCH99 did the same thing last year, making up a new account just to agree with himself. (I believe CindyShah, and others, can confirm that incident.)

So who here is "posing" as "mass numbers of activists advocating a specific cause" ? All the ME/NA people are long-established, and are using their original accounts.

It seems that you don't actually understand the meaning of "astroturfing," although you throw the term around here frequently, in what seems to be a laughable attempt to insult people who don't agree with you.

ah yes, 2 versus how many? and how many of you post on and on about the poor palestinians, all completely one sided? the statement stands and you prove it day in and day out.

*You* are the one who repeatedly makes the accusation of "astroturfing." You posted the definition, but apparently didn't both to read it.

So I am asking you precisely *who* here is posing as multiple identities in order to "astroturf." If you can find more than the examples I gave, please list them.

If you can't do that, then you might at least learn a lesson from this -- that using "buzzwords" you don't even understand enough to use in a correct context is not a very smart tactic... it only makes your debates look uneducated and foolish.

lassie, i know it's a jump for your feeble imagination, but why acquire multiple personalities when there are so many to post said topics or threads. duh!

now go crawl back under your rock

You made the mistake of using the term in the first place, then you made the second mistake of posting the actual definition -- which clearly shows that you had no clue what the term actually means.

For the third time -- *who* precisely is "astroturfing" ? You still can't answer that question. It seems obvious that a few members from your "own side" are doing the perpetrating, rather than the ME/NA folks whom you have repeatedly accused of it.

Now of course I don't expect you concede in front of VJ (or more importantly, even to yourself) that you've shot yourself in the foot in this debate. But it's ok. Everyone else can see it.

Wooooo!

Neither of you have done anything until you've defeated the Nature Boy, Ric Flair so shut up. To be the man, you have to beat the man and I'm the man. Ric Flair is the 22 time champion of the what? world.

Wooooo!

You're both more childish than the Nature Boy and that's saying something. It's saying you deserve something. Wait, I think I know what it is....it is a what?

*chops wife of mahmoud and charlesandnessa*

Flair 3:16 means you just got chopped.

[Fuzzness 2]

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why do these things always become personal pissing matches?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Wooooo!

Neither of you have done anything until you've defeated the Nature Boy, Ric Flair so shut up. To be the man, you have to beat the man and I'm the man. Ric Flair is the 22 time champion of the what? world.

Wooooo!

You're both more childish than the Nature Boy and that's saying something. It's saying you deserve something. Wait, I think I know what it is....it is a what?

*chops wife of mahmoud and charlesandnessa*

Flair 3:16 means you just got chopped.

Woooohoooo the Flair has entered the thread

When it comes to the ring, one should always bow to the Great and Unquestionable Authority of Flair. When it comes to the "Elements of Style," always bow to the Great and Unquestionable Authority of Strunk & White.

Now can I have a Flair pen ?

[Ric Flair 0]

Why do these things always become personal pissing matches?

Wooooo!

Cause some people are full of it. At least Ric Flair is open about it. Flair is fair.

Wooooo!

Wooooo!

Neither of you have done anything until you've defeated the Nature Boy, Ric Flair so shut up. To be the man, you have to beat the man and I'm the man. Ric Flair is the 22 time champion of the what? world.

Wooooo!

You're both more childish than the Nature Boy and that's saying something. It's saying you deserve something. Wait, I think I know what it is....it is a what?

*chops wife of mahmoud and charlesandnessa*

Flair 3:16 means you just got chopped.

Woooohoooo the Flair has entered the thread

When it comes to the ring, one should always bow to the Great and Unquestionable Authority of Flair. When it comes to the "Elements of Style," always bow to the Great and Unquestionable Authority of Strunk & White.

Now can I have a Flair pen ?

*recieves the express written consent to give wife_of_mahmoud a chop*

Woooooo!

You can have a pen, and you can have some paper....if you don't write to Ric now you will later.

Wooooo!

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

*recieves the express written consent to give wife_of_mahmoud a chop*

Woooooo!

You can have a pen, and you can have some paper....if you don't write to Ric now you will later.

Wooooo!

Well.... not quite, but anyway, thanks for the pen !

Since the pen is mightier than the sword.... a Flair Pen will be mighty, indeed

[*Robert* 2]

Now of course I don't expect you concede in front of VJ (or more importantly, even to yourself) that you've shot yourself in the foot in this debate. But it's ok. Everyone else can see it.

Won't happen. He's too used to doing that. Actually, I think it's more a case of sticking his foot in his mouth rather than shooting his foot. He's a trained soldier, surely he wouldn't do that!

Forgive give the uneducated, for they know not their ignorance.

[Ric Flair 0]

*recieves the express written consent to give wife_of_mahmoud a chop*

Woooooo!

You can have a pen, and you can have some paper....if you don't write to Ric now you will later.

Wooooo!

Well.... not quite, but anyway, thanks for the pen !

Since the pen is mightier than the sword.... a Flair Pen will be mighty, indeed

Wooooo!

Flair's pen has a lot of ink.

Wooooo!

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

For those attacking others please calm down. If the bickering continues it may be neccesary to lock the thread. Please remember that emotions some times run high on certain subjects on this board and to keep a calm head. If you disagree with someone and your comment may be inflamitory please consider rephrasing it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm still mystified by being characterised as a 'supporter' of terrorism.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Now which VJ members here are making up new accounts to make it appear as if their ideas have a larger support base than in reality, and posting nothing except the most virulent of anti-Muslim propaganda ? Risto comes to mind; and RCH99 did the same thing last year, making up a new account just to agree with himself. (I believe CindyShah, and others, can confirm that incident.)

So who here is "posing" as "mass numbers of activists advocating a specific cause" ? All the ME/NA people are long-established, and are using their original accounts.

It seems that you don't actually understand the meaning of "astroturfing," although you throw the term around here frequently, in what seems to be a laughable attempt to insult people who don't agree with you.

ah yes, 2 versus how many? and how many of you post on and on about the poor palestinians, all completely one sided? the statement stands and you prove it day in and day out.

*You* are the one who repeatedly makes the accusation of "astroturfing." You posted the definition, but apparently didn't both to read it.

So I am asking you precisely *who* here is posing as multiple identities in order to "astroturf." If you can find more than the examples I gave, please list them.

If you can't do that, then you might at least learn a lesson from this -- that using "buzzwords" you don't even understand enough to use in a correct context is not a very smart tactic... it only makes your debates look uneducated and foolish.

lassie, i know it's a jump for your feeble imagination, but why acquire multiple personalities when there are so many to post said topics or threads. duh!

now go crawl back under your rock

You made the mistake of using the term in the first place, then you made the second mistake of posting the actual definition -- which clearly shows that you had no clue what the term actually means.

For the third time -- *who* precisely is "astroturfing" ? You still can't answer that question. It seems obvious that a few members from your "own side" are doing the perpetrating, rather than the ME/NA folks whom you have repeatedly accused of it.

Now of course I don't expect you concede in front of VJ (or more importantly, even to yourself) that you've shot yourself in the foot in this debate. But it's ok. Everyone else can see it.

yawn. you sure came running to defend your tactics. you've proved nothing other than you have a guilty conscience about such. ty for proving what you've been up to.

i don't expect you to admit what you've been doing. after all, that's not in your directive

your rock is calling.........

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Now which VJ members here are making up new accounts to make it appear as if their ideas have a larger support base than in reality, and posting nothing except the most virulent of anti-Muslim propaganda ? Risto comes to mind; and RCH99 did the same thing last year, making up a new account just to agree with himself. (I believe CindyShah, and others, can confirm that incident.)

So who here is "posing" as "mass numbers of activists advocating a specific cause" ? All the ME/NA people are long-established, and are using their original accounts.

It seems that you don't actually understand the meaning of "astroturfing," although you throw the term around here frequently, in what seems to be a laughable attempt to insult people who don't agree with you.

ah yes, 2 versus how many? and how many of you post on and on about the poor palestinians, all completely one sided? the statement stands and you prove it day in and day out.

*You* are the one who repeatedly makes the accusation of "astroturfing." You posted the definition, but apparently didn't both to read it.

So I am asking you precisely *who* here is posing as multiple identities in order to "astroturf." If you can find more than the examples I gave, please list them.

If you can't do that, then you might at least learn a lesson from this -- that using "buzzwords" you don't even understand enough to use in a correct context is not a very smart tactic... it only makes your debates look uneducated and foolish.

lassie, i know it's a jump for your feeble imagination, but why acquire multiple personalities when there are so many to post said topics or threads. duh!

now go crawl back under your rock

You made the mistake of using the term in the first place, then you made the second mistake of posting the actual definition -- which clearly shows that you had no clue what the term actually means.

For the third time -- *who* precisely is "astroturfing" ? You still can't answer that question. It seems obvious that a few members from your "own side" are doing the perpetrating, rather than the ME/NA folks whom you have repeatedly accused of it.

Now of course I don't expect you concede in front of VJ (or more importantly, even to yourself) that you've shot yourself in the foot in this debate. But it's ok. Everyone else can see it.

yawn. you sure came running to defend your tactics. you've proved nothing other than you have a guilty conscience about such. ty for proving what you've been up to.

i don't expect you to admit what you've been doing. after all, that's not in your directive

your rock is calling.........