Joint-Sponsor Question

[Alaba 1]

Petitioner : US

Beneficiary: Canada

Hey people, got a question about affadavit of support:

We are using a joint-sponsor who has 5 in his household, which the poverty line for 5 is $32, 237 and he made $35, 000 last year, and the years before over $40, 000. He has no mortgage as his house is paid off. Do you think they will accept this or not?

[pushbrk 13,133]

Petitioner : US

Beneficiary: Canada

Hey people, got a question about affadavit of support:

We are using a joint-sponsor who has 5 in his household, which the poverty line for 5 is $32, 237 and he made $35, 000 last year, and the years before over $40, 000. He has no mortgage as his house is paid off. Do you think they will accept this or not?

Does the number 5 include the intending immigrant?

[Alaba 1]

Does the number 5 include the intending immigrant?

No, it does not include the immigrant

[pushbrk 13,133]

No, it does not include the immigrant

Then in this context the household size is 6 and income requirement is $36,912. So, on income alone, this 35k doesn't qualify.

Edited May 8, 2010 by pushbrk

[SpelaD 4]

how much is the poverty line for my US fiance and me, the foreign beneficiary (so, 2 people in a household)?

[sachinky 465]

$18,212 for 2 person household.

[SpelaD 4]

so thats enough for the I 134, with no co-sponsorship?

[Otto 83]

so thats enough for the I 134, with no co-sponsorship?

That would be the minimum required (it would be more if you live in Hawaii or Alaska).

[SpelaD 4]

ok...thank you very much!

[pushbrk 13,133]

ok...thank you very much!

Bear in mind that this is not a goal line you cross. Meeting the published minimum does not guarantee a Consular officer's decision but not meeting it does.

[SpelaD 4]

no...he makes quite more!

[trailmix 77]

To check the poverty guidelines you need to look at the I-864P

Just so you know.

Before submitting an affidavit of support you should always check the most current version. Right now that is the 2009 version. Before you submit the I-864 (when you apply for adjustment of status) double check to see if there is a newer version.

Good luck.

[Audy_Rob 26]

Petitioner : US

Beneficiary: Canada

Hey people, got a question about affadavit of support:

We are using a joint-sponsor who has 5 in his household, which the poverty line for 5 is $32, 237 and he made $35, 000 last year, and the years before over $40, 000. He has no mortgage as his house is paid off. Do you think they will accept this or not?

Alaba, I think you are in good shape I have read your posting correctly. While it is true that your household size will go to 6 persons including the fiance(e), he probably has quite sufficient assets. There is no state d law on the application of assets for meeting the required income level. However the I-134 form does have lines for entering the house value, and the house encumbrances or mortgages which I believe you stated as ZERO (at least for the mortgage). The joint sponsor can use the assets to make up for income shortfall of about $1,000.

Nowhere is it stated what the Ratio of asset worth is to income level but many people use between 3x and 5x based on information from the I-864 instructions which do not correspond to the I-134 form. Therefore divide the value of the house by about 5 and add that to the annual income. Since the joint sponsor is about 1,000 dollars short, he will need 5,000 in equity to qualify.

Good luck.

[pushbrk 13,133]

Alaba, I think you are in good shape I have read your posting correctly. While it is true that your household size will go to 6 persons including the fiance(e), he probably has quite sufficient assets. There is no state d law on the application of assets for meeting the required income level. However the I-134 form does have lines for entering the house value, and the house encumbrances or mortgages which I believe you stated as ZERO (at least for the mortgage). The joint sponsor can use the assets to make up for income shortfall of about $1,000.

Nowhere is it stated what the Ratio of asset worth is to income level but many people use between 3x and 5x based on information from the I-864 instructions which do not correspond to the I-134 form. Therefore divide the value of the house by about 5 and add that to the annual income. Since the joint sponsor is about 1,000 dollars short, he will need 5,000 in equity to qualify.

Good luck.

A paid for house is not considered a liquid asset. Consulates tend to use the guidelines as given in the I-864 instructions which clearly state.

Assets may supplement income if the consular or immigration officer is convinced that the monetary value of the asset could reasonably be made available to support the sponsored immigrant and converted to cash within one year without undue harm to the sponsor or his or her family members. Youmay not include an automobile unless you show that you ownat least one working automobile that you have not included.

It is not reasonable to conclude an I-134 co-sponsor would sell his paid for house where his 5 person family lives in order to support the intending immigrant.

[Audy_Rob 26]

A paid for house is not considered a liquid asset. Consulates tend to use the guidelines as given in the I-864 instructions which clearly state.

A paid off house is a sizable asset and should definitelty be listed. In a preposterous thread that ran this week you claimed any attempt to NOT list something on the I-134 such as Unemployment Insurance benefits was lying and making a misrepresentation to the DOS. Other members responded with a resounding "HOGWASH."

See this link for the "HOGWASH"

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/254736-can-we-put-unemployment-benefits-on-i-134/

The house represents a sizable asset and testimony to the joint sponsor's ability and responsibility.

There is no basis in fact for your assumption that "Consulates tend to use the guidelines as given in the I-864 instructions."

I don't know what facts you have to claim the Consulates tend to use... But as a matter of point, two highlr senior and respected members have stated...

Just to clarify on this a bit...

The I-864P provides the baselines for an I-864 affidavit of support. The instructions for the I-864 make this pretty clear. However, there is no corresponding "I-134P" for the I-134 affidavit of support, and the instructions for the form don't indicate what the baseline is, or how it is determined. The FAQ page for the K1 visa at the DoS website states unequivocally that the baseline for the I-134 is 100% of the federal poverty guidelines:

http://travel.state....994.html#Income

Jim does conclude that applicants will be safe using the I-864 125% guideline but not that the I-864 Instructions apply to the I-134. But his comment is ONLY in respect to the 100% vs. 125% poverty level.

In fact this joint sponsor will appear as a Rock in the Community and very catchable if the government were to go after him because the alien fiance(e) ended up claiming means tested benefits. This house is clearly what will propel him well above the ability to pay in the mind of the COs.

Edited May 9, 2010 by Audy_Rob