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[Heracles 417]

The Indian population here is estimated at 15-25% (the census will confirm the exact count). The black population is estimated at slightly less with the rest being mostly white and hispanic. The conventional wisdom is that diverse areas can't be safe. The conventional wisdom is wrong.

You mean wisdom like Australia only have 4% of the homicide rate of AA?

Dude, don't even attempt to deny the demographics of every single crime-ridden city in America. Some of these cities have homicide rates akin to third world countries. Now look at areas and states with the lowest crime, you will find something in common. I thank Gary for bringing this reality to my attention. You guys sure as hell failed to mention this fact.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Booyah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

You mean wisdom like Australia only have 4% of the homicide rate of AA?

I wasn't talking about Australia

[Heracles 417]

I wasn't talking about Australia

Fair enough. How about Caucasian Americans only having 16% their rate then?

It's mind-boggling that anyone can sit here and deny that there is a serious cultural problem regarding crime and violence within certain communities.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Have a think of Charles post to you, then come ask the question again.

What would that be?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Fair enough. How about Caucasian Americans only having 16% their rate then?

It's mind-boggling that anyone can sit here and deny that there is a serious cultural problem regarding crime and violence within certain communities.

My claim was that communities can be diverse and safe. You're attempting to rebut something I never said.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My claim was that communities can be diverse and safe. You're attempting to rebut something I never said.

I find that a lot with BY.

Perhaps a parallel universe is involved.

[The_Dude 1,142]

My claim was that communities can be diverse and safe. You're attempting to rebut something I never said.

He's doing it because you just might be implying that socioeconomic variables play a factor in crime.

[Heracles 417]

My claim was that communities can be diverse and safe. You're attempting to rebut something I never said.

That's because those communities have a different attitude and culture.

Ghetto and the poor here have an attitude synonymous with thuggery, being a gangsta, you either make it in entertainment or nothing, not snitching, not caring, not bothering etc etc. Various people enable this pathetic attitude rather than stamp it out.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I find that a lot with BY.

Perhaps a parallel universe is involved.

Could the proponents of a multiverse be correct?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's because those communities have a different attitude and culture.

Ghetto and the poor here have an attitude synonymous with thuggery, being a gangsta, you either make it in entertainment or nothing, not snitching, not caring, not bothering etc etc. Various people enable this pathetic attitude rather than stamp it out.

BY, do you actually believe that people's attitudes have nothing to do with their environment and circumstances?

Could the proponents of a multiverse be correct?

It's like that movie - The Time Traveler's wife.

There was an angry Australian in that too

[Heracles 417]

He's doing it because you just might be implying that socioeconomic variables play a factor in crime.

Which for almost three years now I am still waiting for someone to show me stats illustrating the people in similar socioeconomics in other first world countries that should also have similar crime stats. Furthermore, have also destroyed their neighborhoods and turned them into no-go zones. As I have also said before, find me a south Central in Sydney - a city of close to 5 million. They have crime but nowhere near what is gong on here in the US.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

BY, do you actually believe that people's attitudes have nothing to do with their environment and circumstances?

I have yet to travel to one first world country where a community has an attitude anywhere close to that of inner-city AA. None.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I have yet to travel to one first world country where a community has an attitude anywhere close to that of inner-city AA. None.

But do you believe that attitude exists separate and completely independent from a person's environment and circumstances?

[Heracles 417]

But do you believe that attitude exists separate and completely independent from a person's environment and circumstances?

You clearly fail to grasp the differences in culture and attitude. You also ignore why people of similar socioeconomics in different countries or even different communities, don't share the same attitude. rather, you beat on about environment and circumstances. Once again, they are of the same socioeconomics, so why the totally different attitude and behavior?

Nevertheless, as per usual, you don't give any ideas of your own. You simply try to educate us on the why and leave it at that.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

PIke, hate to be the bearer of bad news (again) but hip hop gangsta thuggery promoting ####### is not popular in most first world countries. In the countries that it is listened to, it's usually by a small group of wannabes; certainly not mainstream. Yet even something as simple as this you fail to grasp refuse to accept.

On one hand, you are right about the environment, as it backs my culture argument. However, much like opinion regarding expose to violence, you have stated before that there is no link with aggressive behavior. Apparently kids who listen to thuggery hip hop end up Harvard scholars. Not to mention, just check out all of those Amish gangstas.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Booyah!