Students sent home for wearing American flags

[mawilson 2,133]

You can't just remove the context from the event though. What about disrupting class to recite the pledge of allegiance? Would we be outraged if a student were reprimanded for their patriotism in that circumstance as well?

You can't just do whatever you want in school as long as it's a patriotic gesture.

What was so "disruptive" about their clothes that they were asked to change?

[Heracles 417]

Actually, the Australian Civil Liberties Union has been around for quite some time:

]AIMS: The Australian Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) investigates and takes up matters involving arbitrary government actions, police conduct, freedom of speech, freedom of association, censorship of the internet, censorship of books and films, and invasions of privacy; gives general advice on citizens rights by phone and through its annual publication Your Rights ($6.50) available at newsagents, and campaigns for law reform.

Different kettle of fish. Like saying other countries have a Constitution, therefore, it's no different to the US version. Something Scandal failed to grasp.

The ACLU there doesn't get to go and sue sue sue to push their own ideology (agenda) and change the country. That is not how civilized democracies work. Their behavior is little like the US equivalent. Then again, under the parliamentary system, the judicial system doesn't get to run the country either.

BY, you're so busy classifying people into your simplistic reactionary grampa categories that you completely miss the point, again and again.

Is it seriously any surprise that one of the few remaining members of the original 'group' stick up for their like-minded lock-step friend.

It's you guys who miss the point. An example of racism and double standards is someone scolding group A for doing x to group B. All while downplaying or even ignoring group B doing y to group A; even though y is actually worse than x.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Booyah!

[Peikko 1,575]

What are you talking about BY? Original group? You appear to be slightly deranged when you say things like that. Anyway, as I said, there is no point in talking to someone who has no idea what individual opinions people hold, but simply categorizes them as 'for me' and 'against me' or whatever rule you have going for you. It's amusing to watch, but it's hopeless in terms of meaningful exchange of ideas - not that I expect this website to be meaningful mind you - just a way to pass the time, but your delusions are beginning to be really boring!

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Different kettle of fish. Like saying other countries have a Constitution, therefore, it's no different to the US version. Something Scandal failed to grasp.

The ACLU there doesn't get to go and sue sue sue to push their own ideology (agenda) and change the country. That is not how civilized democracies work. Their behavior is little like the US equivalent. Then again, under the parliamentary system, the judicial system doesn't get to run the country either.

Is it seriously any surprise that one of the few remaining members of the original 'group' stick up for their like-minded lock-step friend.

It's you guys who miss the point. An example of racism and double standards is someone scolding group A for doing x to group B. All while downplaying or even ignoring group B doing y to group A; even though y is actually worse than x.

See, you're doing it again.

Original "group" indeed.

[ScratchIt 12]

School administration has the authority to tell their students what is or isn't appropriate wear for various reasons. Although I don't agree with the VP's decision here (I think he should have brought students from both sides and had them talk it out), he didn't infringe on the students' civil rights. I'd be interested to hear what the ACLU has said or might say about this case. There have been several similar cases that involved schools telling students what they could or couldn't wear.

There has to be a policy. The AP can't just wander the halls and say you can wear that but you can't wear that because I said so. The AP does not make policy he/she enforces it, just like our police officers. They can question policy, they can recommend changes, but they cannot make policy. The school board in this case set policy by siding with the AP. makes me wonder if there is some existing policy that they sited but I have yet to find any info on it. That is why I leaned toward not having all of the story. If these boys were taunting the other students, in all likelihood, that would be enough to send them packing, but the order to hide the American flag is excessive IMHO. If the cause of their dismissal for the day was verbal taunting or threats, that is what should have been reported and acted upon. I think the mistake was asking them to hide the flag. That was the media bonanza. I would not be at all surprised to see the ACLU snatch this up and run.

[Heracles 417]

What are you talking about BY? Original group? You appear to be slightly deranged when you say things like that. Anyway, as I said, there is no point in talking to someone who has no idea what individual opinions people hold, but simply categorizes them as 'for me' and 'against me' or whatever rule you have going for you. It's amusing to watch, but it's hopeless in terms of meaningful exchange of ideas - not that I expect this website to be meaningful mind you - just a way to pass the time, but your delusions are beginning to be really boring!

Actually Cleo it's a joke, as it always has been. While I know certain members interact outside this forum, I highly doubt or ever thought you guys had a meeting. It was tongue-in-cheek over your lock-step views on everything.

My whole and original point is the double standards. Here is another example, everyone on here knows I use Australia in a lot of examples - can't deny it. Would it not be a double standard or hypocrisy if I scolded the US for something yet turned a blind eye to Australia dong the same thing or even worse? Unfortunately that is what certain legacy posters on here do regarding particular demographics. It's all good and well to kick and scream Alex style when a cop accidentally puts a splinter in the suspects finger while restraining them. Yet the same people are coincidentally lost for words and just don't seem to accept that racism works and occurs both ways. Furthermore, you'd think you actually believe that only Caucasians are or can be racist.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So what if it's deliberate? You can't deliberately wear an American flag in America?

Well if you want to ignore the context of the event in question...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not upset, confused that someone would claim this guy was "put in the situation where he had to make that decision". It's his job. His position at the school is Assistant Principal, not teacher. There is a vast difference in job description, duties and responsibilities, however it sounds like we may be on the same page about the "rules" as you call them. To me it sounds less like "rules" and more like a judgment call, and a bad one at that. The guy is lucky his reaction to the situation did not spark a riot.

Your comment, "any display of nationalist imagery on school property will be prohibited" is interesting in that it begs the question of how far will they go to remove the American flag from school property on 5/5? Where do you draw the line? Kids wearing shirts? The school flagpole? I hardly see my previous post as idealistic. I am not asking everyone to sing Kumbayah. In an American public school, on American soil, the American flag trumps all others, says so in the US Code (4USC8). Practical, practiced and patriotic - period. Cases like this go to the Supreme Court and when they decide that in an American school on American soil, the American flag takes second place to the Mexican flag or the Irish flag or any other, then I will pack my stuff and move to a country where respect still means something. I think it far more likely that uniforms will be mandated and celebrations like St Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo will be proscribed. We are becoming the country of the ridiculously absurd.

Have you ever asked yourself why the American (or any) flag needs to be displayed on school property?

I just don't see how it has any relevance whatsoever to the education of children. Issues like this are a distraction that both teachers and students should not be concerned with.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Well if you want to ignore the context of the event in question...

The context of the situation is that two Mexican-American students wore American flags on Cinco de Mayo. Maybe the Mexican flag wearers thought they were traitors....

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The context of the situation is that two Mexican-American students wore American flags on Cinco de Mayo. Maybe the Mexican flag wearers thought they were traitors....

The context is that there is either a problem in the school or the teacher made a bad call. Those are the only practical responses to the topic.

[ScratchIt 12]

The context is that there is either a problem in the school or the teacher made a bad call. Those are the only practical responses to the topic.

Maybe the problem with the school is the AP. Fire the #######!

[ScratchIt 12]

Have you ever asked yourself why the American (or any) flag needs to be displayed on school property?

Nope. Are you suggesting that maybe we would only need one flying over the US Capitol just to remind those Bozo's in who they work for?

[ScratchIt 12]

The context is that there is either a problem in the school or the teacher made a bad call. Those are the only practical responses to the topic.

Why do you continually demote this guy? What's in it for you? He's the #2 guy in the school, the Colonel, get it?

[Heracles 417]

Have you ever asked yourself why the American (or any) flag needs to be displayed on school property?

I just don't see how it has any relevance whatsoever to the education of children. Issues like this are a distraction that both teachers and students should not be concerned with.

Was it not you who disagreed with my observation that singing the national anthem daily is a little weird.

A flag is exactly what should be displayed, as the people under the flag is what pays for the school; what provides them with the ability to go to school. Furthermore, it symbolizes the country and its history. Evidently in this school, a number of those students have forgotten this.

I wonder how many of the others causing the trouble were anchor babies.

Edited May 12, 2010 by Booyah!