Racism in America

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Lets be honest here though, the reason this bill came into fruition is because of nothing being done. I posted a few border shots from within Mexico using Google streetview and it's just amazing (and shocking) how easy it is to get over. Numerous people in Mexico literally have the border as their backyard. One ladder and in you go. In other places, you can literally just drive in.

Nevertheless, nothing is being done because of disingenuous reasons. Yes there are 101 things that can be done that don't require any profiling but none have been implement. Why? for the same reason Steven on here does not want them implemented. That is, because certain Dems feel immigration should be limitless. Others like certain repubs don't care because their mates benefit from this cheap labor that they pay peanuts, provide no health care and treat like modern day slaves.

In the mean time, Americans along the border and in various other states with a large illegal population are faced with surges in crime, budgets in the red and seeing neighborhoods become illegal alien ghettos; with people hanging out waiting for jobs like it's 1925.

So Arizona and the majority can wait around for what should happen or they can do what they can. I just don't understand when it became okay to ignore and ####### on the majority to ensure the feelings of a minority are not hurt. Whereas, had this been Aussies, I would totally understand if the police needed to ensure I was there legally. Its actually extremely selfish and was once frowned upon to actually assume my time is more important than what is in the best interest of an entire country.

No, the bill came about because people are pissed off that nothing is being done and that the federal government continues to sit on its hands and stage the occasional raid to make it look like something is being done. And this bill will do nothing to secure the border area, curb drug & human trafficking, etc. I've spent plenty of time in the borderlands when my brother was a Border Patrol agent in Douglas, and yes, the border is a sieve. It always has been. The main reason that nothing effective has been implemented isn't because of supposed bleeding heart, let'em-all-in sentiment, but business. I actually think Dubya's administration had a decent idea with the guest worker program.

Uh, no. The most logical approach would be to crack down, in a significant way, on companies that employ undocumented laborers. Make it a state crime to employ people without papers or working with fake SSNs. This is easier said than done, of course, and highly unpopular in large segments of the business community. But it would be more effective and show a lot more political balls to attack the issue from that angle. Honestly, a lot of people who support the bill have no idea what happens here (even people who live here) currently vis-a-vis local police & sheriff depts. vs. what will supposedly happen when/if the bill becomes law.

I meant to put "state crime" in quotes.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I actually think Dubya's administration had a decent idea with the guest worker program.

Yup. He was 100% correct on that.

[Susita 175]

I understand people on here have Latin American spouses and have a soft spot but America has to be pragmatic.

Try parents, grandparents, neices, nephews, cousins, even children... all citizens. 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Americans. It's not fair for US citizens in AZ.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Try parents, grandparents, neices, nephews, cousins, even children... all citizens. 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Americans. It's not fair for US citizens in AZ.

They don't care about fair. This is about emotion to them, about appeasing their raw anger.

[justashooter 430]

just because it's logic doesn't make it right unfortunately. You can't hold US citizens and legal residents accountable for the actions of others just because they fit the look.

my wife is west central chinese and is often mistaken by people as continental spanish or southeast european due to her white skin, black hair, round eyes, and aquiline features. people around here just don't have a concept for white skinned round eyed chinese, because most chinese in USA are fujian yellow people with round faces and narrow eyes... she can be questioned about her status, just like your husband. just like him, she has a green card, so she is fine.

the new law in AZ is nothing new. it is just a close copy of the existing federal law, and is within the constitutional limits in regard to due process. it requires a policeman who stops an individual for cause (traffic issue, trespassing, suspicion of other crime) to ask about status. if no legal status is evidenced, a charge of unlawful presence is provided in state statute so that an arrest may be made solely on that basis while other process/charges are pending. it does not allow a policeman in a casual contact (no reasonable articulable suspicion or probable cause) with anyone to force an answer to any question, though a policeman can and will often ask questions during a casual contact, which an individual may decline to answer.

this law also eliminates sanctuary cities, which are unlawful under the due process clause in and of themselves. i ask you, how can a city give protection from due process of law to a special interest group without violating the rights of all others? sanctuary cities are an abomination upon the law, and should not be tolerated.

AZ is just the beginning. i have been telling people with questionable status to tighten up for years, and have been saying that a critical mass of illegal immmigration has been acheived. you WILL see similar legislation gain traction in many other states in the next 3-5 years. the backlash against liberalism is set to explode in november, and illegals are an easy target for repersentatives at the state and federal level who want to keep their jobs. i will be expecting western states with smaller populations to follow suit quickly. texas will adopt similar within 3 years. east coast and central states that are not entirely liberal will follow within 5 years.

Americans are tired of listening to the #######. it is about to hit the fan in quantity, and everyone on this board who loves someone that could become a criminal under the new laws should tighten up their status immediately, and push them to attain citizenship ASAP. it's what's for dinner.

[Heracles 417]

Try parents, grandparents, neices, nephews, cousins, even children... all citizens. 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Americans. It's not fair for US citizens in AZ.

Yet you would have 88% of the country suffer for the 12% being inconvenienced by the odd status question during routine police work. Fact is the majority are coming in through border states, thus the stricter enforcement required there.

Expecting the government to wait for probable cause from 25,000,000 US firms is simply not realistic or feasible alone. Enforcement has to occur on multiple levels. From schools verifying status eligibility, to healthcare, to verifying eligibility for any government service, to verifying eligibility work and to verifying status when someone is arrested. That is what will send the message that the United States is closed for business for anyone without a Visa.

They don't care about fair. This is about emotion to them, about appeasing their raw anger.

Your opinion on this matter is invalidated since you have this stick it to the white guy attitude.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Your opinion on this matter is invalidated since you have this stick it to the white guy attitude.

Can you spell irony?

[Heracles 417]

I actually think Dubya's administration had a decent idea with the guest worker program.

That is a great idea when an economy is booming and unemployment is below 4.5%. The use of a guest work program when millions of Americans are out of work and nearly 1 in 5 is living in poverty is ridiculous. Almost grounds for treason charges for anyone who would profit while the country is hurting.

Great idea as in opening up the VISA to all rather than just Mexicans.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Great idea as in opening up the VISA to all rather than just Mexicans.

which visa is limited to mexicans? tell us.

[Heracles 417]

Can you spell irony?

There is nothing ironic about it. Eighty eight percent of the country is not Hispanic period. As such, why should the 88% suffer?

What actually is irony or more hypocrisy is the same people that beat on about AA poverty, turning a blind eye to those impacted the most by illegal aliens - poor African Americans.

which visa is limited to mexicans? tell us.

Well considering 80% of immigrants are now Latin American, surely that is not some coincidence. Blatant discrimination and inequality actually, thus it not being acceptable in other first world countries. Hence, their equitable immigration quotas.

Actually, I meant if a guest worker Visa was to be created, it should be accessible by all, rather than just residents of Mexico.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Booyah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Eighty eight percent of the country is not Hispanic period. As such, why should the 88% suffer?

I'm just glad you finally came out and admitted your problem was with Hispanics as a whole and not just those who are out of status.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well considering 80% of immigrants are now Latin American, surely that is not some coincidence.

Why are Nigeria and Bangladesh the top two recipients of the diversity visa?

Discrimination and dirty tricks or because citizens of those countries apply for the visa a lot more than others?

[Heracles 417]

I'm just glad you finally came out and admitted your problem was with Hispanics as a whole and not just those who are out of status.

Nice straw man argument. Not surprising though, coming from Mr. Stick-it-to-the-White-Guy.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news chief but the few don't make the rules for the many in other countries. It's only a matter of time before people wake up and demand the same here.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Nice straw man argument. Not surprising though, coming from Mr. Stick-it-to-the-White-Guy.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news chief but the few don't make the rules for the many in other countries. It's only a matter of time before people wake up and demand the same here.

Your percentage referred specifically to Hispanics, and not to illegals. Strawman? Hardly.

[Heracles 417]

Why are Nigeria and Bangladesh the top two recipients of the diversity visa?

Discrimination and dirty tricks or because citizens of those countries apply for the visa a lot more than others?

Diversity visa is 50,000 Visas. I am talking immigration in general - both legal and illegal. The reality is that over 80% of immigrants over the last 10 years have been from Latin America. A region that only makes up 9% of the world's population.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Booyah!