Racism in America

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he spoke out about racism in columbia, she opted out by saying she lives in NY so not worried about columbia or peru basically, just like you are saying same country, he could have said same world and that she should have interest in mankind.

We're Americans, not citizens of the world. Who are you, Al Gore?

[Susita 175]

if 75% of the problem is mexican and central american, does it make sense to look at mexican and central americans more closely? use some logic here. it's the illegal mexican and central americans that have created the majority of the problem. when do we begin to hold them accountable for their actions?

just because it's logic doesn't make it right unfortunately. You can't hold US citizens and legal residents accountable for the actions of others just because they fit the look.

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You can't hold US citizens and legal residents accountable for the actions of others just because they fit the look.

Exactly.

[Susita 175]

We're Americans, not citizens of the world. Who are you, Al Gore?

He's certainly very concerned about my love of Peru for some reason

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He's certainly very concerned about my love of Peru for some reason

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He's certainly very concerned about my love of Peru for some reason

how much do you love llamas?

[Susita 175]

A lot of people here figure that Brewer is just trying to make a name for herself before the midterm elections, and I tend to agree. The AZ economy is in tatters, many thanks to the real estate bubble for a big part of that, and she has a lot on her plate. There's a special election coming up for a temporary sales tax increase to keep schools from being forced to lay off teachers and, ironically, to keep police departments from being forced to make cuts. (You can bet that many of the same people who will vote No on this proposition are in support of the bill...nevermind the need for law enforcement resources to enforce it, whatever form that will take.)

My guess is that Brewer didn't foresee the backlash against this law, but figured she'd come across as a strong-willed leader shaking Washington out of its refusal to deal with this issue in a real way. And, of course, she's seeking election (not reelection, mind you). She was a no-name before all this, and suddenly she's international news. I know very few people who are in favor of this bill and what it represents. I know a few very conservative AZ Republicans who think it's horseshit.

Yay a real Arizonian! And the Empress of Groovy at that!

how much do you love llamas?

not as much as Scandal and Spooky love sheep, if that's what you're getting at

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Llamas have better suction.

[Heracles 417]

just because it's logic doesn't make it right unfortunately. You can't hold US citizens and legal residents accountable for the actions of others just because they fit the look.

Granted but neither can you put your head in the sand and hope it goes away. It doesn't and only gets worse. While this law is not ideal, it's the best and most logical Arizona has. I understand people on here have Latin American spouses and have a soft spot but America has to be pragmatic. First and foremost, it has to look out for the majority of Americans. It's also not right that the rest of us be slapped in the face, while illegal aliens make us look like fools for doing the right thing. It's first world countries have laws in the first place. If they didn't, they too would be second and third world countries.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Booyah!

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It's never dawned on me until now but how the hell does a Brit live in AZ? Do you slap on sunscreen 24/7? 100 in AZ would feel like 140 in Brit terms.

Pretty much everyone here (or their parents) has moved from someplace cool or cold.

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Pretty much everyone here (or their parents) has moved from someplace cool or cold.

except for the messikans

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Granted but neither can you put your head in the sand and hope it goes away. It doesn't and only gets worse. While this law is not ideal, it's the best and most logical Arizona has. I understand people on here have Latin American spouses and have a soft spot but America has to be pragmatic. It's also not right that the rest of us be slapped in the face, while illegal aliens make us look like fools for doing the right thing. It's first world countries have laws in the first place. If they didn't, they too would be second and third world countries.

Uh, no. The most logical approach would be to crack down, in a significant way, on companies that employ undocumented laborers. Make it a state crime to employ people without papers or working with fake SSNs. This is easier said than done, of course, and highly unpopular in large segments of the business community. But it would be more effective and show a lot more political balls to attack the issue from that angle. Honestly, a lot of people who support the bill have no idea what happens here (even people who live here) currently vis-a-vis local police & sheriff depts. vs. what will supposedly happen when/if the bill becomes law.

except for the messikans

Oh yeah!

Well, at least they don't yammer on about Chicago dogs & "No one here knows how to drive in the rain!"

[Heracles 417]

Uh, no. The most logical approach would be to crack down, in a significant way, on companies that employ undocumented laborers. Make it a state crime to employ people without papers or working with fake SSNs. This is easier said than done, of course, and highly unpopular in large segments of the business community. But it would be more effective and show a lot more political balls to attack the issue from that angle. Honestly, a lot of people who support the bill have no idea what happens here (even people who live here) currently vis-a-vis local police & sheriff depts. vs. what will supposedly happen when/if the bill becomes law.

Lets be honest here though, the reason this bill came into fruition is because of nothing being done. I posted a few border shots from within Mexico using Google streetview and it's just amazing (and shocking) how easy it is to get over. Numerous people in Mexico literally have the border as their backyard. One ladder and in you go. In other places, you can literally just drive in.

Nevertheless, nothing is being done because of disingenuous reasons. Yes there are 101 things that can be done that don't require any profiling but none have been implement. Why? for the same reason Steven on here does not want them implemented. That is, because certain Dems feel immigration should be limitless. Others like certain repubs don't care because their mates benefit from this cheap labor that they pay peanuts, provide no health care and treat like modern day slaves.

In the mean time, Americans along the border and in various other states with a large illegal population are faced with surges in crime, budgets in the red and seeing neighborhoods become illegal alien ghettos; with people hanging out waiting for jobs like it's 1925.

So Arizona and the majority can wait around for what should happen or they can do what they can. I just don't understand when it became okay to ignore and ####### on the majority to ensure the feelings of a minority are not hurt. Whereas, had this been Aussies, I would totally understand if the police needed to ensure I was there legally. Its actually extremely selfish and was once frowned upon to actually assume my time is more important than what is in the best interest of an entire country.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Booyah!

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A lot of people here figure that Brewer is just trying to make a name for herself before the midterm elections, and I tend to agree. The AZ economy is in tatters, many thanks to the real estate bubble for a big part of that, and she has a lot on her plate. There's a special election coming up for a temporary sales tax increase to keep schools from being forced to lay off teachers and, ironically, to keep police departments from being forced to make cuts. (You can bet that many of the same people who will vote No on this proposition are in support of the bill...nevermind the need for law enforcement resources to enforce it, whatever form that will take.)

My guess is that Brewer didn't foresee the backlash against this law, but figured she'd come across as a strong-willed leader shaking Washington out of its refusal to deal with this issue in a real way. And, of course, she's seeking election (not reelection, mind you). She was a no-name before all this, and suddenly she's international news. I know very few people who are in favor of this bill and what it represents. I know a few very conservative AZ Republicans who think it's horseshit.

i agree. she & the state legislature are doing the same thing the sheriff is doing. only they are parlaying for the state's votes & not a single county w/ their actions. i'm fairly sure they knew there would be a 'backlash'. the size & tone of the 'backlash' is most likely greater than they ever expected. but, so is the support inside & outside of arizona.

[Susita 175]

Uh, no. The most logical approach would be to crack down, in a significant way, on companies that employ undocumented laborers. Make it a state crime to employ people without papers or working with fake SSNs.

right on Joyce... what I've been saying