Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

[justashooter 430]

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".

Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California ..

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention...

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax;

Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year.

Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year.

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year.

Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare.

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year..

Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year.

Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance.

Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!"

and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200..00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while

Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch..

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and

Jose did not pay.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

[gina_raluca 14]

What's the point of this topic?

Who is going to support illegal immigration?

[SuperDuper! 230]

You mentioned a couple of Joe's so far.

Here is one more.

[scandal 951]

What's the point of this topic?

What's the point of anything he ever posts?

[gina_raluca 14]

What's the point of anything he ever posts?

Yeah, probably it helps with killing time.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Few things. First, as expected, the hypothetical math is wrong. 70% of $52,000 is $36,400 (not that it matters). Also, how does $19,231-12,000 equal negative $4,769? (hint: it doesn't). Maybe Joe should learn to live within his means. Or maybe he's just the kind of person who would benefit from some kind of universal health care system. That is, if its not too socialist/evil for him.

I'm not sure about the food stamps and rent subsidy but my thinking is that you need to be a citizen or at least have a social security number in order to get them. So if this hypothetical immigrant was indeed getting them, it means he also has some kind of ssn (probably fake), meaning he does indeed end up paying taxes. You can't have it both ways, either he's a non-person or he's in the system.

Finally, the idea that its politicians who are "supporting" illegals misses the point. Its not politicians, its business. Think hard wingnuts: where does that extra $10 an hour which the boss would be paying Joe go to? Into the boss's pocket! The minute that illegal immigrants start hurting instead of helping the bottom line, I guarantee we will have an immigration crackdown. Until then they will continue to make use of this loophole in the labor market to drive down their costs and drive up their profits.

Finally, think about what happens when we change the names in the example to Joe Standard and Jimmy Walmart. Suddenly the exact same points become anti-Walmart, anti-big business, and presumably anti-American (at least to the writer of this email).

[Danno 1,228]

Yeah, probably it helps with killing time.

Perhaps you might post some links to some of your meaningful posts?

[tallcoolone 102]

Joe Illegal gets drunk and slams his car into the back of Joe Legals car and since Joe Illegal "No Gotty Inusrance", Joe Legal has to pay to get his own car fix or use his insurance and have his Insurance rates rise.

[gina_raluca 14]

Perhaps you might post some links to some of your meaningful posts?

No, thank you. I have better things to do than to prove to you how "meaningful" my posts are. The post is vacuous, and I find it sad that someone actually spent time making those computations. What is the point of it? That's what I am trying to understand.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

nm

Edited May 3, 2010 by El Buscador

[tallcoolone 102]

Jose Illegal has done one good thing in America, He has halped make the Amber Alert nationwide.

If you talk to family members associated with Amber Hagerman, they think it was an Illegal Alien from Mexico whom killed her and cruised back to Mexico for safety...

[gina_raluca 14]

Jose Illegal has done one good thing in America, He has halped make the Amber Alert nationwide.

If you talk to family members associated with Amber Hagerman, they think it was an Illegal Alien from Mexico whom killed her and cruised back to Mexico for safety...

Really?

[SuperDuper! 230]

Really?

Really.

[gina_raluca 14]

Really.

Really what?