Palin: America is a Christian nation

[Heracles 417]

Only two? Seriously BY, from a purely personal point of view, religious symbolism does not affront me if it is used merely as an announcement for a religious event or season, christmas trees, divali lights, hanukkah candles none of that stuff bothers me one bit. However, I do not really see why such symbolism must be allowed on government property for public display, and I don't see how if a state or city chooses not to allow any symbolism on their property for public display that could/should have any effect on the effective celebration of that religious holiday, or send any signal that the government per se frowns on any or all religious events, seasons or holidays. All that says to me is that for whatever reason, some have decided that in their opinion the interests of inclusiveness are best served by not allowing government property to be used as a vehicle for the public display of any religious symbolism.

I might get upset if government decided that Christmas day should not be a mandated holiday, unless they chose an arbitrary date to replace it with

My view which is obviously shared by a number of first world nations is that there is nothing wrong with governmental bodies celebrating with their constituents; especially schools. Surely having a class spend an hour learning about a fellow student celebrating Diwali teaches tolerance and diversity. Once again, hence it being common in countries outside the US. The US approach promotes animosity rather than tolerance; thus the sheer number of nutters the country produces.

Edited April 28, 2010 by Booyah!

[Peikko 1,575]

My view which is obviously shared by a number of first world nations is that there is nothing wrong with governmental bodies celebrating with their constituents; especially schools. Surely having a class spend an hour learning about a fellow student celebrating Diwali teaches tolerance and diversity. Once again, hence it being common in countries outside the US. The US approach promotes animosity rather than tolerance; thus the sheer number of nutters the country produces.

Well, obviously you think you are right and that your opinion is the only valid one. Trouble is, you have gone from 'is it ok to allow religious symbolism to be displayed in government property?' To 'government bodies should be involved in and encourage religious celebrations' and then you think that being involved and encouraging religious celebrations is the equivalent of teaching students that there are many religions that are celebrated in many different ways and have many different symbols and significances. Um - no BY. Government should not be indulging in the promotion of any religion or religious celebrations. Schools should however offer classes that teach a wide variety of cultural lessons, including different religious faiths.

Edited April 28, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Heracles 417]

Well, obviously you think you are right and that your opinion is the only valid one. Trouble is, you have gone from 'is it ok to allow religious symbolism to be displayed in government property?' To 'government bodies should be involved in and encourage religious celebrations and then you think that being involved and encouraging religious celebrations is the equivalent of teaching students that there are many religions that are celebrated in many different ways and have many different symbols and significances'. Um - no BY. Government should not be indulging in the promotion of religious celebrations. Schools should however offer classes that teach a wide variety of cultural lessons, including different types of religion.

Last time I checked, even in your mother country, the government is there for the people. As pointed out a number of times now, this usually means celebrating with their constituents and teaching diversity.

How do elementary schools offer classes? It's fine, in your opinion such lesson of tolerance and diversity are not the place of government. Just sex ed is.

Edited April 28, 2010 by Booyah!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's you who is deluded actually. The lack of belief is still a belief.

Yes, and? The government isn't allowed to promote either. That's what one calls a level playing field for those that do and those that don't follow any religion. You want to exercise religion? Go ahead, nobody is standing in your way. There's a church on virtually every street corner of this country and more are still in between. Don't want to exercise any religion? That's fine, too. Nobody is forcing it on you. Take your pick and do as you please with regards to your faith or lack thereof.

[Peikko 1,575]

Last time I checked, even in your mother country, the government is there for the people. As pointed out a number of times now, this usually means celebrating with their constituents and teaching diversity.

How do elementary schools offer classes? It's fine, in your opinion such lesson of tolerance and diversity are not the place of government. Just sex ed is.

Are you saying the politicians are not allowed to celebrate their religion in America? That's news.

I have already stated quite clearly that schools should offer classes on culture and religion but somehow you read that as all primary school kids should learn about sex, sex SEX! Brilliant deduction Homes

[웃 910]

Who cares? Do you have the truth? Why piss on what other people believe? You had nothing specific that you were trying to debate all you wanted to do was make Christians look like idiots.

If I tell you there is a super enormous flying Apple iPad that is Supreme Being, flying around the universe, then you cannot prove to me that it is untrue. So truth and proof when debating religion is virtually meaningless. Although proof is definitely more in favor of the atheists as there is literally no proof of a Flying Super Hero , Spaghetti Monster, Apple iPad, Large Cheeseburger, God, whatever you want to call It.

Here is one for you. If God exists, if Heaven exists, if Hell exists, if God is so infinitely kind, then answer me this:

The punishment for not believing in a Flying Saucer is eternal burning in Hell. Is the Flying Sphagetti Monster in favor of this? He must either APPROVE OF THIS SADISTIC PUNISHMENT or HE DOESN'T EXIST because to settle the debate once and for all, the Flying Spaghetti Monster could simply make Himself known, make an appearance, etc. Since He remains mute I think we all know whether He is out there or not. I would be willing to convert and avoid this sadistic punishment of eternal burning but I am a logical thinker.

If God wants everyone to believe and avoid the most heinous, sadistic, infinitely worse eternal punishment (which makes reliving the Holocaust seem like a walk in the park) then He would end the dispute in less than 10 seconds.

Edited April 28, 2010 by Lord Infamous

[Niels Bohr 72]

I don't give a ####### about religion. Anyone force religion upon me, I'll ####### on their deity.