Arizonans and The Nation Torn On Immigration Bill

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

This is only true if you look at the world in black and white.

Why do people always say there are two sides? Why not 3 sides? 8 sides? 20 sides?

Indeed. Not a lot you can really say to that.

One pill makes you larger

One pill makes you small..................

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Don't break any law and then they won't have any probably cause. End of story.

The law doesn't ask for "probable cause" but merely speaks of reasonable suspicion arising from any lawful contact between the subject and law enforcement. One doesn't need to break any law to have lawful contact with law enforcement officers.

Edited April 27, 2010 by Mr. Big Dog

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

You get dumber with every subsequent post Ronald. How the #### are they doing to get a warrant if they have no way of knowing who is illegal?

The warrant is for the arrest of the employer. The illegals are the evidence.

So what did that person do? Did they show it? Or did they tell their potential employer that they were breaking the law?

I lived there for four years in a hippie town, and while I'm sure college life is not the "real world" it did give me a fair idea about life in the U.S.

They needed the job so they showed the card.

Just like a good little peasant.

[Ali G. 37]

The warrant is for the arrest of the employer. The illegals are the evidence.

So how do they know they are illegals since they cannot ask about their status?

You have to be one of these anti-water boarding liberals too right? AKA We want you to catch the terrorist but you are not allowed to use any proactive tools to find them.

Edited April 27, 2010 by Ali G.

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

I was born in Jersey, jackass.

i didn't know you was british!

[sachinky 465]

They needed the job so they showed the card.

Just like a good little peasant.

Precisely my point. Peasant or not, when it's down to money on the table, your principles often go out of the window. It's fine to be outraged, but is your outrage going to feed you?

[Ali G. 37]

These guys so-called outrage is based on horeshit idealism. They realistically have no valid argument against these laws apart from possibly being inconvenienced. They don't even know half the story and assume a state simply enacted a law, without thinking it through, or how they will accurately verify peoples ID.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

These guys so-called outrage is based on horeshit idealism. They realistically have no valid argument against these laws apart from possibly being inconvenienced the Constitution.

fixed that for you...

[Ali G. 37]

It doesn't actually matter what is in the bill as the rebuttals will be they same; as they are with any such discussion involving proactive law enforcement or illegal aliens.

Cut half of these responses and keep them for a discussion three years down the track. It will have the same rebuttals.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Sure, we can agree on that. I ain't no fan of illegal immigration. You know that.

So starve em once they get here but dont ask for ID?

[Ali G. 37]

fixed that for you...

This attitude is the problem with some many things in this country. It's why the country is regressing.

For example, police try to proactively monitor an area in the ghetto known for its daily homicides. Oh no, its unconstitutional. If the freagin Constitution does not protect the country's sovereignty or a person's actual life, then what does it protect? Oh wait, someone's right to sell copies of grotesque animal cruelty.

Edited April 27, 2010 by Ali G.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So starve em once they get here but dont ask for ID?

Starve them? I thought the idea was that taking away the economic incentive to come would leave them put where they are.

For example, police try to proactively monitor an area in the ghetto known for its daily homicides. Oh no, its unconstitutional.

Says who? Police does this all over the country - with quite a bit of success in many cities. Tampa being one of them.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Precisely my point. Peasant or not, when it's down to money on the table, your principles often go out of the window. It's fine to be outraged, but is your outrage going to feed you?

Certainly people need to eat.

If I follow your logic though, it's quite all right for the employer to break the law so the employee may eat.

This isn't about my perceived outrage. This is an exercise in your apparent trust in the system. You trust that law enforcement will be able to enforce this law in such a way as to not ask anything of an alien which is not already asked of him by law.

If US employers cannot get in right in the workplace, how are high-school educated cops going to get it right?

[Ali G. 37]

Starve them? I thought the idea was that taking away the economic incentive to come would leave them put where they are.

Now that I think of it, even a $1 million fine is pointless as the authorities have no way to know who is illegal, to get the much needed warrant. These fines work overseas as they are able to conduct random audits, without a warrant, of a business. The United States is just too large and spread out to assume ICE agents can be everywhere. Let alone have the resources to be able to carry out investigations to build a case to get a warrant.

It's why gangs flourish here; it why organized crime flourishes; it's why crime cannot be proactively prevented and why illegal immigration grows daily.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Now that I think of it, even a $1 million fine is pointless as the authorities have no way to know who is illegal, to get the much needed warrant. These fines work overseas as they are able to conduct random audits, without a warrant, of a business. The United States is just too large and spread out to assume ICE agents can be everywhere. Let alone have the resources to be able to carry out investigations to build a case to get a warrant.

Why don't you think about it before you type? Workplace audits take place across the country all the time. Unauthorized individuals are found an detained all the time. All that happens. Problem is, the businesses get away with a slap on the wrist and continue on their merry way. The prohibitive fines aren't there. Put in place an enforcement mechanism that puts businesses out of business and managers into jail if they are found to have hired unauthorized workers and those willing to take this unreasonable risk will be very few and far between right quick.