Arizonans and The Nation Torn On Immigration Bill

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Firstly, they can ask for it. I can CHOOSE to show it to them or not. How are my rights being infringed?

And even if they were, it is certainly not something that I would care very much about. Nothing that would cause me to make some placards and start shouting slogans.

Time in jail when there was no legal reason for putting you there doesn't bother you? Really?

[sachinky 465]

Yea, imagine that. Some of us actually have different priorities and have plenty of other things to get riled up about.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

No, I'm just picking the laws that I think are stupid and not worth getting my panties in a knot about and others that do make sense to me.

At the end of the day, I comply with the law of the land I am currently in (mostly because I'm an intensely paranoid individual and would just like to stay out of trouble). This means I follow the laws that I personally don't agree with and the ones that make sense to me.

I'm sure it's not obscure, I've never heard of it before today so I didn't know anything about it.

I only mentioned a correlation between profiling in employment and potential profiling in Arizona because (in my opinion) they are both based upon either how a person looks or how they sound. Asking a person to "prove" something based on either of these qualifiers IS profiling, which can lead to discrimination.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

just think of all the minors violating that "law"

Is that really a moment for you Chuck?

Really?

OK - so minors aren't required to have a DL. I was talking about adults.

[sachinky 465]

Time in jail when there was no legal reason for putting you there doesn't bother you? Really?

Why would I be in jail?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Anyone endorsing that ridiculous law, without a doubt proves that they are not interested in clamping down on illegal aliens. Why else would anyone continue to advocate that it be illegal for an employer to require status? Ronald on here [no names] talks about the fourth amend and the first world, yet in reality I have had to show my passport whenever I been hired in an AUS company.

Well, that's part of the debate around immigration. Do I think it makes a lot of sense to only require a state ID (can still be obtained w/o proving status) and a SSC that's known to be easily reproduced? No. Do I think we need a better ID system that proves one's status? Sure. The AZ law we're discussing here does neither, however.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Why would I be in jail?

While they 'verify' your status with DHS. Where did you think they were gonna hold you, the Hilton?

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I was still running with your hypothetical employer situation. Which, from the sounds of it, no employer would ask for the GC, since it's illegal.

Actually, I know someone it happened to just a few weeks ago.

Obviously, in the cop situation you don't have the option of "showing it to them or not."

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well, that's part of the debate around immigration. Do I think it makes a lot of sense to only require a state ID (can still be obtained w/o proving status) and a SSC that's known to be easily reproduced? No. Do I think we need a better ID system that proves one's status? Sure. The AZ law we're discussing here does neither, however.

Agreed. Social Security cards are a joke.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yea, imagine that. Some of us actually have different priorities and have plenty of other things to get riled up about.

To remind you, you stated earlier on that if you, as an indian person, were required to provide more proof of identification than a caucasian person that you wouldn't see it as an "inconvenience".

You can set whatever priorities you like, but capitulating in your own discriminatory treatment... It really surprises me that anyone would say that.

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

It is true for adults, though. When I fly domestic, all I have with me (indeed, all I need) is a DL.

the statement was "All you need to travel internally within the US is a driver's license."

note you can travel by car, foot, bicycle, train, horseback, maybe even a skateboard.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

the statement was "All you need to travel internally within the US is a driver's license."

note you can travel by car, foot, bicycle, train, horseback, maybe even a skateboard.

we're not lawyers here, charles.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

While they 'verify' your status with DHS. Where did you think they were gonna hold you, the Hilton?

Yeah, the one with them iron curtains.

To remind you, you stated earlier on that if you, as an indian person, were required to provide more proof of identification than a caucasian person that you wouldn't see it as an "inconvenience".

You can set whatever priorities you like, but capitulating in your own discriminatory treatment... It really surprises me that anyone would say that.

Yeah, Indian chicks are submissive like that.

[Ali G. 37]

I only mentioned a correlation between profiling in employment and potential profiling in Arizona because (in my opinion) they are both based upon either how a person looks or how they sound. Asking a person to "prove" something based on either of these qualifiers IS profiling, which can lead to discrimination.

So now it's profiling to ask someone to verify their work eligibility status. I don't care about the incompetent federal law. Every single first world country usually requires a company check employment eligibility. Certainly not using some pathetic SSC that even a 3 year old can fake.

People like you is why terrorist were able to walk all over the country unnoticed prior to 9/11.

it's profiling, it's profiling.

Edited April 27, 2010 by Ali G.

[sachinky 465]

While they 'verify' your status with DHS. Where did you think they were gonna hold you, the Hilton?

Who's going to? The employer? I don't understand--there's about three parallel conversations running and picking sentences at random to quote doesn't help.

If I, as a legal alien, carry my GC on me, then there's no reason I should end up in jail.