Arizonans and The Nation Torn On Immigration Bill

[Ali G. 37]

Sorry, bro, but if I was in AZ, I'd take a heck of a lot more than 5 seconds to prove my status. Traveling within the US doesn't require any US passport but simply my FL state issued DL. That's what I have on me and not a thing more to prove any status I may or may not have. ** AZ.

I have been here for five years and pulled over once for speeding. Oh the tragedy if they police carried out a simply background check; which they do anyway.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Wow, that's a CRAZY idea but it might just work!

You'd be surprised but the same Rethuglicans that pushed this nonsense in AZ will oppose any such thing as a national biometric ID on the national stage. It would be labeled the "government takeover of ID issuance".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So...you're ready to be arrested if you decide to go for a walk around the block and leave your wallet at home?

And what happened to insidious encroachment of "big government". Presumably a national ID card is not that .

Whatever next? All of your information held on one single database?

Open season for identity theft!

[Ali G. 37]

That's my point. As a US citizen, I am not required to carry any proof of citizenship within the US. The dumbfcuks in AZ aren't going to change that.

It's called change. Where in the Constitution does it state that a national ID cannot be implemented?

And what happened to insidious encroachment of "big government". Presumably a national ID card is not that .

Whatever next? All of your information held on one single database?

Open season for identity theft!

I thought the Uk is implementing a national ID card

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I have been here for five years and pulled over once for speeding. Oh the tragedy if they police carried out a simply background check; which they do anyway.

Yes, because USCIS is known to be so reliable and fast. You want to spend hours or days in detention while they figure out that they've wrongfully detained a US citizen, that's up to you. I'd sue the living hell out of them.

[sachinky 465]

So being subjected to a greater burden of proof of identfication because you are non White isn't an infringement of your rights?

Are you effing crazy?

At what point then will you stand up for yourself?

I will stand up when I believe my rights are truly being violated. Call me lazy, but I don't feel like making a hue and cry over nothing essentially. Asking me to produce a document that I'm mandated by Federal law to have on my person at all time to begin with is not something that I consider as an infringement of my rights.

I have a (slight) accent, I don't look/talk/sound/speak American. The employer may very well want to check my papers to make sure he is not hiring an illegal alien or to check my legal status. Why should I take offense to that? It'd be quite reasonable of him to do so. One look at the green card will clarify all his doubts. What's that? Five seconds of my time?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's called change. Where in the Constitution does it state that a national ID cannot be implemented?

I thought the Uk is implementing a national ID card

The government has been trying to force that through for years, but public opinion against it is rather large.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's called change. Where in the Constitution does it state that a national ID cannot be implemented?

Read my post above - the same political forces that pushed this farce in AZ would oppose it on a national stage. A national ID isn't going to happen. I wouldn't mind it at all but it isn't going to happen. And since it isn't, this excuse for immigration enforcement is putting an undue burden on this here citizen and I ain't going to thank these fcuks for that.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The government has been trying to force that through for years, but public opinion against it is rather large.

Not to mention it openly holds all of your biometric data. Also that card program is extremely expensive. Any deficit watchers had better vote against any such program.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Sousuke

[Ali G. 37]

The government has been trying to force that through for years, but public opinion against it is rather large.

You mean from geniuses like Cleo and yourself.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Ali G.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I will stand up when I believe my rights are truly being violated. Call me lazy, but I don't feel like making a hue and cry over nothing essentially. Asking me to produce a document that I'm mandated by Federal law to have on my person at all time to begin with is not something that I consider as an infringement of my rights.

I have a (slight) accent, I don't look/talk/sound/speak American. The employer may very well want to check my papers to make sure he is not hiring an illegal alien or to check my legal status. Why should I take offense to that? It'd be quite reasonable of him to do so. One look at the green card will clarify all his doubts. What's that? Five seconds of my time?

I'm not talking about your green card. You said that you wouldn't be bothered to be subjected to a different standard of proof of identity as a "brown" man than as a White man. All LPRs: White, black, brown, yellow, skyblue pink etc are held to the same standard. But that isn't what you were talking about...

Edited April 26, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Ali G. 37]

Read my post above - the same political forces that pushed this farce in AZ would oppose it on a national stage. A national ID isn't going to happen. I wouldn't mind it at all but it isn't going to happen. And since it isn't, this excuse for immigration enforcement is putting an undue burden on this here citizen and I ain't going to thank these fcuks for that.

So what the heck do you want them to do? Twiddle their thumbs.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You mean from geniuses like Cleo and yourself.

Well let's face it BY, you don't give a toss about public opinion or democratic process.

[sachinky 465]

If you're not talking about the green card--then what are you talking about? What other proof of identity?

I still don't understand why anyone who is in the U.S. legally, would have any problems showing their legal papers?

Also, to clarify, I'm the brown woman.

[Ali G. 37]

Well let's face it BY, you don't give a toss about public opinion or democratic process.

To the contrary, you seem to assume the baseless paranoia of a minority should outweigh the opinions of the majority.

This should be put to vote and the American people be allowed to decide. Furthermore, if anyone does not like Arizona's rules, then pick one of the other 49 states to live in or cross over.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Ali G.