Arizonans and The Nation Torn On Immigration Bill

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Yeah because that has been working so good.

Well, figuring they haven't truly been enforcing them.....

[SMOKE 1,426]

The law is moot anyway as the state does not have the right to usurp immigration enforcement jurisdiction anyways.

no they don't have authority to enforce the law, they just deputized themselves to 'help' ICE inside of arizona. arizona has forced the issue into the headlines on a national stage. now the feds have to address it.

[_Simpson_ 250]

And...?

to shoot down the bill because you dont trust the judgement calls of officers is not reason enough, you might as well take the right away from cops to pull over someone if they believe there driving recklessly according to your logic. Do you think that the officer alone will drag him down to the station just because hes Mexican?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Well, figuring they haven't truly been enforcing them.....

True, time for plan B.

[The_Dude 1,142]

no they don't have authority to enforce the law, they just deputized themselves to 'help' ICE inside of arizona. arizona has forced the issue into the headlines on a national stage. now the feds have to address it.

But the federal government won't address it. ICE does not have sufficient personnel or funds to do it's job on a wide scale. I highly doubt they would relinquish any authority to state or local police departments, nor would most departments even want that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

to shoot down the bill because you dont trust the judgement calls of officers is not reason enough, you might as well take the right away from cops to pull over someone if they believe there driving recklessly according to your logic. Do you think that the officer alone will drag him down to the station just because hes Mexican?

Seriously Simpson, it really isn't hard to understand what I'm saying here. This law puts the police in a position where they behave in a manner which is, or which appears to be racially discriminatory.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's safe to assume you are full of it; hence not having one single suggestion of your own. Sorry but imaginary gestapo scenarios or bizarre traffic oriented rebuttals do not count. While you want to do nothing, evidently the people of Arizona disagree.

The comment about your job geniuses was to suggest that much like Steven whose job is not in jeopardy by illegals, you have no issue with illegals as it does not directly affect you. I highly doubt you are in any blue-collar field. Whereas, had the market been flooded with illegals that possessed your qualification, you'd be singing a different tune.

What you assume is that my opinion is dependent on how I personally would gain or lose by such laws. Wrong. I gave you a suggestion but you do not like it. I am not surprised. The politicians who suggest these types of dumb #### laws rely on the outrage and indignation factor to both secure personal support to gain/retain political power and to hide the reality that these laws do not solve the problems they supposedly address. The solutions very definitely lie in tackling this problem economically, not in figer wagging. If anyone serioulsly believes this law will actuallly result in large numbers of illegal mexicans being deported, well...let us just say that is quite unlikely.

[sachinky 465]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/04/25/arizona.soldier.immigration.vigil/index.html

This article was so bleeding biased that it cracked me up.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Seriously Simpson, it really isn't hard to understand what I'm saying here. This law puts the police in a position where they behave in a manner which is, or which appears to be racially discriminatory.

What if the policeman is mexican? You sure do seem to be obsessed with racism. You must have some deep seeded guilt.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

You guys are talking like it's one major helluva inconvenience to carry a damn piece of paper in your wallet.

If you're legal, then you should have no problem proving it. Moving on.

It does not bother you that because you are "brown skinned" (as you call it) that if you had a traffic violation in Arizona, you might be asked to provide an ADDITIONAL identity document that a white person would not be asked to produce under the same circumstances?

What if you are a white person in Arizona who gets pulled over for a traffic violation, and you hand over your driving license to the officer without speaking. Once the "transaction" is concluded, you say "Have a nice day, Officer" with your thick British accent, and THEN he asks you for your green card?

You really haven't thought this through, have you?

[SMOKE 1,426]

But the federal government won't address it. ICE does not have sufficient personnel or funds to do it's job on a wide scale. I highly doubt they would relinquish any authority to state or local police departments, nor would most departments even want that.

they better address it, then put the funds & resources into ICE. if this law makes it to the implementation stage every border state + some farther north will draft similiar laws. then the feds are fvcked. & the question to the US gov't will be...'do you represent the interest of the people of the US or do you represent the interest of the people of north & south america?'

& they pulled it prior to the november elections...genius from the republicans isn't it?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Seriously Simpson, it really isn't hard to understand what I'm saying here. This law puts the police in a position where they behave in a manner which is, or which appears to be racially discriminatory.

and what I am saying here is not hard to understand, there are plenty of other laws that target criminals(as this bill does) but could be used to discriminate towards certain races.

Lets say a person is pulled aside for a minor offense, he/she cant speak English or provide ID all the while acting nervous. Would you believe that to be probable cause? Theres a lot of Mexicans in AZ and cops aren't going to pull over every Mexican. Its going to take a lot more than being a given race for cops to haul someone down to the station. Do you not think that if it was a German man under the same circumstances that the cops wouldn't care and let him go?

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Every non-citizen who breaks any law.

Your wife is a non-citizen.

Are you suggesting she should not be entitled to due process?

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I'm still waiting to hear how asking for an ID constitutes a human rights violation on any level.

You are aware it is against Federal Employment Law for an employer to specifically ask for a green card if the alien has a driver's license and an unrestricted Social Security card, aren't you?

[sachinky 465]

It does not bother you that because you are "brown skinned" (as you call it) that if you had a traffic violation in Arizona, you might be asked to provide an ADDITIONAL identity document that a white person would not be asked to produce under the same circumstances?

No, it doesn't bother me.

If I choose to live in a country, I choose to follow it's laws.

It's not gonna kill me to provide an ADDITIONAL piece of document that a white man might not have to -- neither is it going to inconvenience me in the slightest. Is it unfair that I would be asked to provide something a white man wouldn't be? Sure, yea. But whatevs. I roll with it. Life is too short to get hot and bothered about every darned thing.