Arizonans and The Nation Torn On Immigration Bill

[sachinky 465]

Thats a staw mans argument. Do you really think that a Canadian immigrant would be stopped on the street and asked to see their identification? This law is a thinly veiled law directed at one group of people and will have an impact on both the non-citizens it is directed at as well as citizens.

Well, no. But then again, more than 50% of all illegal aliens in the U.S. are NOT Canadians, the last time I checked.

Edited April 26, 2010 by sachinky

[Kevin and 10]

They should just enforce the laws we already have.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Thats a staw mans argument. Do you really think that a Canadian immigrant would be stopped on the street and asked to see their identification? This law is a thinly veiled law directed at one group of people and will have an impact on both the non-citizens it is directed at as well as citizens.

*sighs* again w/ the same old tired straw man argument.

again, please point out where the law states that officers will be stopping john q public walking down the street & shaking him down.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Well, no. But then again, more than 50% of all illegal aliens in the U.S. are NOT Canadians, the last time I checked.

That is still beside the point. Laws in this country are applicable to all citizens, not just the brown ones.

[sachinky 465]

The fact remains, the law does not dictate this. You can argue til your blue in the face that this is easy to do, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter, citizens are not required to carry ID.

Well, laws change. USCs, prior to this, didn't have to carry an ID. Now they do. Is it unfair to the legal Hispanic/USC--yes, it is. But due to the current situation in Arizona with illegal immigrants/immigration, now ALL USCs have to be inconvenienced as well and carry around their ID.

Laws are a product of their time and place. They do not simply exist in a vacuum.

Edited April 26, 2010 by sachinky

[The_Dude 1,142]

*sighs* again w/ the same old tired straw man argument.

again, please point out where the law states that officers will be stopping john q public walking down the street & shaking him down.

LoL, are you sure you know what a straw mans argument is? Because you're doing it again.

The law does not state that officers will be stopping people walking down the street, but it does give them the authority to do it. It's called "reasonable suspicion".

[_Simpson_ 250]

On paper, yes. In practice, hard to say (because it relies on the discretion of individual officers).

Judgement calls are a everyday part of life for a officer.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh yah i forgot 'whitey bad''whitey cheat''whitey this & that'

Don't be dumb, it doesn't suit you.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Well, laws change. USCs, prior to this, didn't have to. Now they do. Due to the current situation in Arizona with illegal immigrants/immigration, now USCs have to be inconvenienced as well and carry around their ID.

Laws are a product of their time and place. They do not simply exist in a vacuum.

Wrong, despite this law, citizens are still not legally compelled to carry ID, only to identify themselves if asked by law enforcement.

[SMOKE 1,426]

They should just enforce the laws we already have.

yes, kevin they should. hopefully will soon and if anyone thinks this law will last very long...they're 'misguided'. this is arizona's way of putting the feds on front street. a put up or shut up if you will..where do you stand washington....before the november elections.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Judgement calls are a everyday part of life for a officer.

And...?

[SMOKE 1,426]

Don't be dumb, it doesn't suit you.

thats your arguement isn't it?

[_Simpson_ 250]

They should just enforce the laws we already have.

Yeah because that has been working so good.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

thats your arguement isn't it?

No it isn't, but seeing as you have ignored my arguments what do you want me to say?

Edited April 26, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[The_Dude 1,142]

yes, kevin they should. hopefully will soon and if anyone thinks this law will last very long...they're 'misguided'. this is arizona's way of putting the feds on front street. a put up or shut up if you will..where do you stand washington....before the november elections.

The law is moot anyway as the state does not have the right to usurp immigration enforcement jurisdiction anyways.