Immigration reform really heating up

[Fandango 1,439]

We should expand the NAFTA treaty to include the importation/exportation of unskilled labor. Labor is a commodity in the Libertarian, free market mindset, so why is it that the mere thought of an undocumented worker washing dishes here in the states gets so many self professed Libertarians worked up? I have yet to see anyone making a compelling argument as to how immigration (legal or illegal) has a detrimental effect on our economy, except perhaps by helping to keep wages lower for unskilled labor. Even with that argument, depressed wages actually benefit those in higher earning jobs. It keeps all those services we use cheap and we can be harsh towards the unskilled laborers by denying them any of the benefits the rest of us enjoy while making them pay into the system. Is there any logical reason why we don't need reform?

You have got to be kidding me here.

Btw, your heart bled on my shoes.

Your argument would be a lot more valid if you opened your personal home up to anyone and everyone who needed a place to stay.

[SMOKE 1,426]

the real reason for all of that is that we've made it too expensive to do business here.

minimum wages, workplace safety standards, environmental standards, municipal licensing, etc etc etc.

what this country needs are "zones" where those rules don't apply. they will be ugly and gritty but they will provide tons of (admittedly ѕhitty) jobs.

yes, and when you add a worforce that will do the work for 1/2 the price & employers don't have to carry workers comp. insurance or unemployment insurance...that 'very little' impact is now huge to those effected.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Your argument would be a lot more valid if you opened your personal home up to anyone and everyone who needed a place to stay.

i'll let any illegal holding an IT degree stay in my home. if they have 15 relatives w/ IT degrees, i'll let them stay in one of my rent houses.

[pedroh 21]

ah.. nice to see that the trigger happy people still roam in VJ...

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I guess its easier to run from their country rather than to fight for it! Then when they get here they are fightin MAD! Whats fvcked up about that?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Someone invading a soveriegn nation is not by any means a civilian. They are enemies. Period.

A civilian crossing a border w/o inspection is still a civilian no matter how hard you try to suggest otherwise. Again, Honecker & Co. would have been proud of you. They built a murderous border system on your absurd philosophy.

[Ali G. 37]

I guess its easier to run from their country rather than to fight for it! Then when they get here they are fightin MAD! Whats fvcked up about that?

I have to give it to you Mark, interesting point.

So rather than fight for fair pay or equal rights in Mexico, they come here and demand rights from here.

But but Mexico is poor. Err wrong! Wealthiest man in the world, a child of immigrants, lives in Mexico.

[Fandango 1,439]

i'll let any illegal holding an IT degree stay in my home. if they have 15 relatives w/ IT degrees, i'll let them stay in one of my rent houses.

It was a joke, but not one meant to say that all illegals are criminals....more along the lines of 'you feed em on your budget then talk to the rest of us about doing the same'

[Otto 83]

**Albeit a little late - several personal/inflammatory remarks have been removed.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I have to give it to you Mark, interesting point.

So rather than fight for fair pay or equal rights in Mexico, they come here and demand rights from here.

But but Mexico is poor. Err wrong! Wealthiest man in the world, a child of immigrants, lives in Mexico.

Another thing. What would America look like if we did a straight swap for land with mexico?

Edited April 26, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[sjr09 155]

Another thing. What would America look like if we did a straight swap for land with mexico?

The same, just a different location!

[Pooky 3,791]

Another thing. What would America look like if we did a straight swap for land with mexico?

Or, better still, if the USA and Mexico swapped immigration laws?

[sjr09 155]

Or, better still, if the USA and Mexico swapped immigration laws?

Why, on the list of 1001 Things To Do Before You Die, does "Yell for Help" not get a mention? They're so into selfishness ways, at that point, they forget how!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The mexican ppl just need to get some balls and rebel! Its really that simple. But of course its easier to come here and scream and whine under the constitution our forefathers fought so hard for.

Edited April 27, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[Heracles 417]

This Ali G guy is a smart guy..